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Old 01-09-2022, 09:42 AM
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You guys have an early opener this spring, yes? Can someone explain what a contract 'early opener' actually does and what the benefit is?
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Old 01-09-2022, 10:27 AM
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You guys have an early opener this spring, yes? Can someone explain what a contract 'early opener' actually does and what the benefit is?
It’s notice by the union that they intend to modify the CBA. This is all dealing with Section 6 of the RLA and the process to seek to modify the contract. Because our CBA never “expires,” it only becomes amendable and this notice is the legal formality to tell the company we seek to amend

Section 31 of the CBA mentions 180 days is the earliest of such notice.

What that gets us? Gets us talking sooner and hopefully gets some dates scheduled sooner as well.
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Old 01-09-2022, 12:22 PM
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It’s in September.

Not going to matter. Contract 2027 most likely
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Old 01-09-2022, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by dualinput
It’s in September.

Not going to matter. Contract 2027 most likely
Likely correct. Also, don't rule out years of negotiations and then an announcement a merger or acquisition. Suddenly 2027 seems like a pipe dream.... (All hypothetical of course)
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Old 01-09-2022, 01:35 PM
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All this talk of shiny new contracts seems a bit far-fetched to me (for any airline, not just us). All airlines (except maybe Southwest) took on some MASSIVE leverage during the pandemic, and until balance sheets start to get more in line with pre-pandemic levels of debt, I can’t fathom any management willingly increasing their fixed costs. Especially since fuel has increased too…..
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Old 01-09-2022, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Tranquility
All this talk of shiny new contracts seems a bit far-fetched to me (for any airline, not just us). All airlines (except maybe Southwest) took on some MASSIVE leverage during the pandemic, and until balance sheets start to get more in line with pre-pandemic levels of debt, I can’t fathom any management willingly increasing their fixed costs. Especially since fuel has increased too…..
While I agree, the concern of pilot pay rates will most likely be trumped by their ability to recruit and retain pilots to fly their money making assets. That end of year salary survey is embarrassing, we aren’t even close.
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Old 01-10-2022, 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Tranquility
All this talk of shiny new contracts seems a bit far-fetched to me (for any airline, not just us). All airlines (except maybe Southwest) took on some MASSIVE leverage during the pandemic, and until balance sheets start to get more in line with pre-pandemic levels of debt, I can’t fathom any management willingly increasing their fixed costs. Especially since fuel has increased too…..
Tell that to AA, they just agreed to hold emergency contract talks with their pilot union. 5 days a week for a month to try and hammer out something, albeit most likely temporary.
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Old 01-10-2022, 08:41 AM
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Tell that to AA, they just agreed to hold emergency contract talks with their pilot union. 5 days a week for a month to try and hammer out something, albeit most likely temporary.
There are “emergencies” and there are emergencies, but honestly, the regional model seems to be imploding right now, with hitherto unheard of bonuses for DECs because senior people are leaving en masse and even if they can bring newbies in the bottom - and that’s getting harder and harder - they are losing the Captains necessary to fly with the FOs the 1000 hours necessary to get them upgrade eligible.

But objectively, it does look like the unions now have an almost unprecedented leverage over management. And since inflation is also going up, it might be time to start talking about getting CPI adjustments into the CBA.

You don’t ask, you won’t get.
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There are “emergencies” and there are emergencies, but honestly, the regional model seems to be imploding right now, with hitherto unheard of bonuses for DECs because senior people are leaving en masse and even if they can bring newbies in the bottom - and that’s getting harder and harder - they are losing the Captains necessary to fly with the FOs the 1000 hours necessary to get them upgrade eligible.

But objectively, it does look like the unions now have an almost unprecedented leverage over management. And since inflation is also going up, it might be time to start talking about getting CPI adjustments into the CBA.

You don’t ask, you won’t get.
Most definitely need some percentage adjustment when the DOS runs out. I was preaching this back in 2017 but it fell on deaf ears.
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Old 01-12-2022, 06:22 AM
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Most definitely need some percentage adjustment when the DOS runs out. I was preaching this back in 2017 but it fell on deaf ears.
Yeah, well inflation numbers like this ought to open some ears up…



Not corrected for inflation, you lose 7% of your purchasing power a year. So at the end of a five year contract with only a 2% per year kicker, you could be down to (0.95)^5 or roughly 77% of the purchasing power you had on day one of the contract.
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