Attrition
01-09-2022, 07:14 AM
#401
At your mom's house
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: cpt 737
Posts: 2,832
10? I thought they only had 8. Must have gotten an raise! Sign me up
01-09-2022, 08:44 AM
#402
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2019
Posts: 1,279
01-09-2022, 08:46 AM
#403
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2019
Posts: 1,279
They grab pizzas and run because legacy carriers are hiring nonstop at higher pay for every year of longevity and faster upgrades. Pay guys $150/hr first year and they are still leaving if you don’t raise years 2-12.
I can only explain it to you so much, as others have as well. You’re stuck, we get it.
I’m done with you. It’s lunacy to expect you to grasp the obvious. Maybe you can apply for a legacy job?!
I can only explain it to you so much, as others have as well. You’re stuck, we get it.
I’m done with you. It’s lunacy to expect you to grasp the obvious. Maybe you can apply for a legacy job?!
01-09-2022, 08:52 AM
#404
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2021
Position: CA, A320 family
Posts: 36
01-09-2022, 09:32 AM
#406
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2022
Posts: 13
I think this thread I attached really puts how low our pay is into perspective. There are tons of SWA, Legacy, and Jetblue FO's making more than our senior captains...Frontiers rates are going to be much higher than ours starting in March and their pilots seem to make way more than the average Spirit pilot already (with more days off). Everyone keeps arguing if the problem is year 1 or year 2-12, its obviously all of it 1-12 year pay is substantially lower than anywhere else and it all needs to be raised across the board for people to stay.
End of 2021 salary survey
End of 2021 salary survey
01-09-2022, 09:32 AM
#407
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,252
Originally Posted by SUN TZU
If troops are punished before their loyalty is secured they will be disobedient. If not obedient, it is difficult to employ them.
Really, you don’t have to convince me, it’s obvious you don’t give a $hit about the salary of anyone junior to you. It’s just amazing to me you can’t connect the dots. The union has a legal and moral obligation to bargain effectively for these people and even if they didn’t, you aren’t going to establish pilot group cohesiveness by divisive policies. Forcing newbies to run through the gauntlet of low training and first year pay does not build group unity. It’s just abusive.
And I can keep this up just as long as you can.
Last edited by Excargodog; 01-09-2022 at 09:45 AM.
01-09-2022, 09:34 AM
#408
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,967
I think this thread I attached really puts how low our pay is into perspective. There are tons of SWA, Legacy, and Jetblue FO's making more than our senior captains...Frontiers rates are going to be much higher than ours starting in March and their pilots seem to make way more than the average Spirit pilot already (with more days off). Everyone keeps arguing if the problem is year 1 or year 2-12, its obviously all of it 1-12 year pay is substantially lower than anywhere else and it all needs to be raised across the board for people to stay.
End of 2021 salary survey
End of 2021 salary survey
All years need to see HUGE gains.
01-09-2022, 10:06 AM
#409
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 314
Read that book the union gives you. The first real unions/associations that pertain to us are the auto union. Their goal was to make pay and qol the best it could for the lowest guy on the floor. If the guy sweeping floors gets $XXX and X days off. It has a trickle up effect for the rest of the workers on the assembly line.
01-09-2022, 10:36 AM
#410
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 3,309
Read that book the union gives you. The first real unions/associations that pertain to us are the auto union. Their goal was to make pay and qol the best it could for the lowest guy on the floor. If the guy sweeping floors gets $XXX and X days off. It has a trickle up effect for the rest of the workers on the assembly line.
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