Attrition
02-15-2024, 03:12 AM
#3891
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Joined APC: Jul 2023
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Imagine you are a PanAm pilot in 1985 - deregulation has hit you hard and you can see things going downhill
You're a 727FE based in Berlin since 1981 and were hoping you'd have the seniority to bid home but it hasn't happened. You bail and go to this crazy new airline in Texas where nobody sits sideways
All the FO's you're flying with are living the sweet life and saying it will all sort itself out. I mean we've been crossing the ocean since flying boats! They stick around for several more years
The captains ... can you imagine leaving someplace with 25 years seniority and you work 11 days a month! They wait for the pink slips
Fast forward 10 years - the Southwest Captain meets his new FO who was his old FO too.
You're a 727FE based in Berlin since 1981 and were hoping you'd have the seniority to bid home but it hasn't happened. You bail and go to this crazy new airline in Texas where nobody sits sideways
All the FO's you're flying with are living the sweet life and saying it will all sort itself out. I mean we've been crossing the ocean since flying boats! They stick around for several more years
The captains ... can you imagine leaving someplace with 25 years seniority and you work 11 days a month! They wait for the pink slips
Fast forward 10 years - the Southwest Captain meets his new FO who was his old FO too.
OK, got it. Pan Am =Spirit if Spirit<SouthWest. Solve for Truck Masters.
02-15-2024, 05:57 AM
#3892
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,114
Imagine you are a PanAm pilot in 1985 - deregulation has hit you hard and you can see things going downhill
You're a 727FE based in Berlin since 1981 and were hoping you'd have the seniority to bid home but it hasn't happened. You bail and go to this crazy new airline in Texas where nobody sits sideways
All the FO's you're flying with are living the sweet life and saying it will all sort itself out. I mean we've been crossing the ocean since flying boats! They stick around for several more years
The captains ... can you imagine leaving someplace with 25 years seniority and you work 11 days a month! They wait for the pink slips
Fast forward 10 years - the Southwest Captain meets his new FO who was his old FO too.
You're a 727FE based in Berlin since 1981 and were hoping you'd have the seniority to bid home but it hasn't happened. You bail and go to this crazy new airline in Texas where nobody sits sideways
All the FO's you're flying with are living the sweet life and saying it will all sort itself out. I mean we've been crossing the ocean since flying boats! They stick around for several more years
The captains ... can you imagine leaving someplace with 25 years seniority and you work 11 days a month! They wait for the pink slips
Fast forward 10 years - the Southwest Captain meets his new FO who was his old FO too.
That's seniority inversion. The FO who has little seniority to lose goes to their next major first while the CA - who waited until the writing on the wall was strobing brightly - joins him/her a thousand seniority numbers behind months or years later.
02-19-2024, 06:31 AM
#3893
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Joined APC: Apr 2019
Posts: 222
Just out of curiosity, if there are CA downgrades as they "right size the labor force" how would that play out? Just the bottom Captains on the seniority list or do they ask for volunteers?
I've heard no rumors about this, just asking to try and be a bit more knowleagable about how airlines do things.
I've heard no rumors about this, just asking to try and be a bit more knowleagable about how airlines do things.
02-19-2024, 08:51 AM
#3894
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Joined APC: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,522
Just out of curiosity, if there are CA downgrades as they "right size the labor force" how would that play out? Just the bottom Captains on the seniority list or do they ask for volunteers?
I've heard no rumors about this, just asking to try and be a bit more knowleagable about how airlines do things.
I've heard no rumors about this, just asking to try and be a bit more knowleagable about how airlines do things.
02-19-2024, 01:26 PM
#3895
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Joined APC: Dec 2022
Posts: 859
Just out of curiosity, if there are CA downgrades as they "right size the labor force" how would that play out? Just the bottom Captains on the seniority list or do they ask for volunteers?
I've heard no rumors about this, just asking to try and be a bit more knowleagable about how airlines do things.
I've heard no rumors about this, just asking to try and be a bit more knowleagable about how airlines do things.
02-24-2024, 06:24 AM
#3896
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Joined APC: May 2011
Posts: 143
We’ve got this handy thing you pay dues for called a CBA. It’s funny bc the regional I came from moons ago had a more contractually literate pilot group than spirit. Our CBA is like a readers digest. You can read it front to back w all the LOAs and MOUs in a few hours.
02-24-2024, 07:58 AM
#3897
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Position: Captain
Posts: 1,561
Or quite often his old CA.
That's seniority inversion. The FO who has little seniority to lose goes to their next major first while the CA - who waited until the writing on the wall was strobing brightly - joins him/her a thousand seniority numbers behind months or years later.
That's seniority inversion. The FO who has little seniority to lose goes to their next major first while the CA - who waited until the writing on the wall was strobing brightly - joins him/her a thousand seniority numbers behind months or years later.
or goes to A310 and slides right in at DAL seniority
remember that ?
I think spirit will eventually be bought by someone for their pilots and aircraft
BTW that happened when delta bought the Pan ams 310 just like prior when United bought the pacific runs and their 747SPs
02-24-2024, 09:29 AM
#3898
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Posts: 12,114
or goes to A310 and slides right in at DAL seniority
remember that ?
I think spirit will eventually be bought by someone for their pilots and aircraft
BTW that happened when delta bought the Pan ams 310 just like prior when United bought the pacific runs and their 747SPs
remember that ?
I think spirit will eventually be bought by someone for their pilots and aircraft
BTW that happened when delta bought the Pan ams 310 just like prior when United bought the pacific runs and their 747SPs
02-24-2024, 10:09 AM
#3899
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Position: Captain
Posts: 1,561
I think that if the DOJ wouldn't allow NK to combine with B6 the likelihood of them allowing NK to combine with any of the Big Four is nonexistent. Buy the aircraft in bankruptcy? Sure. Hire the pilots as newbie FOs at zero seniority? Not something that DOJ will care to do anything about. Actually COMBINE the two companies? Nope!
Mccatskil merging ruling after the TWA AMR merge
read about it
no new hires but merged seniority even with a BK company
02-24-2024, 10:28 AM
#3900
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Joined APC: Feb 2024
Posts: 20
or goes to A310 and slides right in at DAL seniority
remember that ?
I think spirit will eventually be bought by someone for their pilots and aircraft
BTW that happened when delta bought the Pan ams 310 just like prior when United bought the pacific runs and their 747SPs
remember that ?
I think spirit will eventually be bought by someone for their pilots and aircraft
BTW that happened when delta bought the Pan ams 310 just like prior when United bought the pacific runs and their 747SPs
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