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Old 01-06-2024, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Then you use the money received to buy more aircraft oe equipment.

Probably not in this case. Burning the furniture to heat the home more like.
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Old 01-06-2024, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Noisecanceller
Probably not in this case. Burning the furniture to heat the home more like.
mmmm, that too. Nonetheless, leasebacks are not an unreasonable way to free up cash for other uses. One can also sell bonds backed up by the equipment which is the other thing commonly done (take a look at AAs debt to asset ratio below). You still have title but unless you can pay the bond premiums the bond owners can wind up with them. Airlines are very capital intensive organizations.

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Not saying NK is making a lot of money right now, just saying leasebacks for airliners are not at all uncommon.
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Old 01-06-2024, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Noisecanceller
Probably not in this case. Burning the furniture to heat the home more like.
They are doing the household equivalent of taking cash advances on credit cards, and using that money to make the minimum payments on older credit card cash advances they took out.

They restructured one debt repayment maturity to a future date but the bank required Spirit to raise their minimum liquid cash on hand that would trigger repayment at that time. So even though NK has a billion in cash, it’s really closer to $400m because they banks can require debt payback once they dip into the $500m mark.

Factor in known losses for the next two quarters…doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see what happens if this deal falls apart

Speaking of which, aren’t you supposed to be running for the hills as of last month?
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Old 01-06-2024, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
They are doing the household equivalent of taking cash advances on credit cards, and using that money to make the minimum payments on older credit card cash advances they took out.

They restructured one debt repayment maturity to a future date but the bank required Spirit to raise their minimum liquid cash on hand that would trigger repayment at that time. So even though NK has a billion in cash, it’s really closer to $400m because they banks can require debt payback once they dip into the $500m mark.

Factor in known losses for the next two quarters…doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see what happens if this deal falls apart

Speaking of which, aren’t you supposed to be running for the hills as of last month?
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Old 01-08-2024, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
They are doing the household equivalent of taking cash advances on credit cards, and using that money to make the minimum payments on older credit card cash advances they took out.

They restructured one debt repayment maturity to a future date but the bank required Spirit to raise their minimum liquid cash on hand that would trigger repayment at that time. So even though NK has a billion in cash, it’s really closer to $400m because they banks can require debt payback once they dip into the $500m mark.

Factor in known losses for the next two quarters…doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see what happens if this deal falls apart

Speaking of which, aren’t you supposed to be running for the hills as of last month?

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Old 01-13-2024, 12:20 PM
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Does anybody else find it odd that we are hiring more line check airman, even though we’re at a hiring freeze? Are we preparing to ramp up again?

I know a lot of the major airlines have cooled their hiring so that should slow some of our attrition.

JetStar Airways is hiring like crazy right now so maybe we might lose some of our Aussie pilots that might go back home.
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Old 01-13-2024, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Halon1211
Does anybody else find it odd that we are hiring more line check airman, even though we’re at a hiring freeze? Are we preparing to ramp up again?

I know a lot of the major airlines have cooled their hiring so that should slow some of our attrition.

JetStar Airways is hiring like crazy right now so maybe we might lose some of our Aussie pilots that might go back home.
Word on the street is that a ton of LCAs are quitting because they’re burned out. Idk if that’s true or not so take that with a grain of salt
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Old 01-13-2024, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer
Word on the street is that a ton of LCAs are quitting because they’re burned out. Idk if that’s true or not so take that with a grain of salt
They are dropping their letters and just flying the line.
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Old 01-13-2024, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Halon1211
JetStar Airways is hiring like crazy right now so maybe we might lose some of our Aussie pilots that might go back home.
Will they? From what I’ve heard the conditions and pay at Jetstar are worse than the regionals here, and I believe their taxes are higher. Unless they’re moving back for families/friends; which would make sense..
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Old 01-13-2024, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer
Word on the street is that a ton of LCAs are quitting because they’re burned out. Idk if that’s true or not so take that with a grain of salt
That and they don't get to enjoy super-seniority when bidding anymore... And rightfully so.
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