Attrition
12-31-2023, 10:14 AM
#3811
SDQ Base Chief
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: 320 CA
Posts: 5,665
We'd all just be guessing. Thats the only place 72 has ever been mentioned so its hard to really judge it, but id guess if its 72 planes that have to go through it the first 40 would already be done given the 300 day turnaround.
And just a reminder that even with the 40 planes down Spirits capacity is expected to grow 3-5% by the end of 2024. That doesnt mean as many planes but the 19's will mostly be gone 6 new NEOS and 20 321 NEOS.
And just a reminder that even with the 40 planes down Spirits capacity is expected to grow 3-5% by the end of 2024. That doesnt mean as many planes but the 19's will mostly be gone 6 new NEOS and 20 321 NEOS.
In this modern era of street CAs at legacies I don’t think anyone is coming to JB/NK for quick upgrades.
12-31-2023, 11:38 AM
#3812
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,909
One thing not mentioned often is 100% of Spirit planes will need to go down for several months for cabin reconfig and painting. I know the engine inspection will be more arduous of a process, but if JB can get their act together and schedule the cabin reconfigs tandem with the engine inspections then they could lessen the pain and likely get compensation from Pratt for their troubles. I don’t see this as some incredible world-ending situation. Sure, both sides might be slightly over staffed for a bit but VILs and attrition can take care of that.
In this modern era of street CAs at legacies I don’t think anyone is coming to JB/NK for quick upgrades.
In this modern era of street CAs at legacies I don’t think anyone is coming to JB/NK for quick upgrades.
12-31-2023, 01:38 PM
#3813
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,920
Problem is timing. I don't know if they can start the retrofits until after JCBA and SLI, per our scope. But I'm not 100%.
12-31-2023, 02:26 PM
#3815
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2019
Posts: 222
We'd all just be guessing. Thats the only place 72 has ever been mentioned so its hard to really judge it, but id guess if its 72 planes that have to go through it the first 40 would already be done given the 300 day turnaround.
And just a reminder that even with the 40 planes down Spirits capacity is expected to grow 3-5% by the end of 2024. That doesnt mean as many planes but the 19's will mostly be gone 6 new NEOS and 20 321 NEOS.
And just a reminder that even with the 40 planes down Spirits capacity is expected to grow 3-5% by the end of 2024. That doesnt mean as many planes but the 19's will mostly be gone 6 new NEOS and 20 321 NEOS.
One thing not mentioned often is 100% of Spirit planes will need to go down for several months for cabin reconfig and painting. I know the engine inspection will be more arduous of a process, but if JB can get their act together and schedule the cabin reconfigs tandem with the engine inspections then they could lessen the pain and likely get compensation from Pratt for their troubles. I don’t see this as some incredible world-ending situation. Sure, both sides might be slightly over staffed for a bit but VILs and attrition can take care of that.
In this modern era of street CAs at legacies I don’t think anyone is coming to JB/NK for quick upgrades.
In this modern era of street CAs at legacies I don’t think anyone is coming to JB/NK for quick upgrades.
I've updated my apps and could potentially leave but am on 2nd year pay with over 800 pilots below me in seniority. However i don't want to go bc of the quality of life. 45 years old and value that over almost everything else. No interest in widebody flying at a legacy or anything like that.
12-31-2023, 02:33 PM
#3816
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 2,335
So is the overall consensus or best guess on here that the sky is not falling when it comes to the NEO issues next year?
I've updated my apps and could potentially leave but am on 2nd year pay with over 800 pilots below me in seniority. However i don't want to go bc of the quality of life. 45 years old and value that over almost everything else. No interest in widebody flying at a legacy or anything like that.
I've updated my apps and could potentially leave but am on 2nd year pay with over 800 pilots below me in seniority. However i don't want to go bc of the quality of life. 45 years old and value that over almost everything else. No interest in widebody flying at a legacy or anything like that.
12-31-2023, 02:47 PM
#3817
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 350
So is the overall consensus or best guess on here that the sky is not falling when it comes to the NEO issues next year?
I've updated my apps and could potentially leave but am on 2nd year pay with over 800 pilots below me in seniority. However i don't want to go bc of the quality of life. 45 years old and value that over almost everything else. No interest in widebody flying at a legacy or anything like that.
I've updated my apps and could potentially leave but am on 2nd year pay with over 800 pilots below me in seniority. However i don't want to go bc of the quality of life. 45 years old and value that over almost everything else. No interest in widebody flying at a legacy or anything like that.
12-31-2023, 03:04 PM
#3818
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,920
12-31-2023, 03:06 PM
#3819
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,920
So is the overall consensus or best guess on here that the sky is not falling when it comes to the NEO issues next year?
I've updated my apps and could potentially leave but am on 2nd year pay with over 800 pilots below me in seniority. However i don't want to go bc of the quality of life. 45 years old and value that over almost everything else. No interest in widebody flying at a legacy or anything like that.
I've updated my apps and could potentially leave but am on 2nd year pay with over 800 pilots below me in seniority. However i don't want to go bc of the quality of life. 45 years old and value that over almost everything else. No interest in widebody flying at a legacy or anything like that.
12-31-2023, 05:04 PM
#3820
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,909
They have only seen their FO seniority improve, saying things like “I have xxx people below me” as they benefit from FOs upgrading and pilots being hired below them. What some fail to see is once you upgrade to a narrowbody plane, at a narrowbody airline, that’s it. There is no more movement short of retirements. Nobody is leaving off that CA list ahead of you, short of retire or die. The widebody airline creates that flow from the CA Narrowbody side as well, it’s incredibly beneficial.
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