Stryker172

Cool story Hansel.

CincoDeMayo

Still beating this drum?


Nobody cares about first year pay when years 2-12 are also out of whack

We have junior CAs and senior FOs leaving for other airlines, nothing to do with first year pay

You have to fix all years

Give it up. Problems are much deeper than first year pay

DrDHD

second this. When your jr captains are bailing there should be red flags to management….especially with the aggressive growth plan they want.

93Sierra

1st year capt pay United 320 260
12 year capt pay Spirit 252

I enjoy everyone I fly with, and despise the Delta elitist mentality there . I am a believer in the business model and don’t want to start over at the bottom of a seniority list (swore to myself I never would after Covid). But pay increases are due, but I wouldn’t want to sell what “qol” we have left for just a few bucks more an hour. Gains need to be made, or else it’s hard to justify staying. If qol stuff is taken away or not improved and we don’t get more in line with other bus drivers pay scales, why stay. I’m not one who gets off on the name on the side of the plane like some people I know. My dad left a carrier that was bought by northwest a long time ago, took a chance on some airline that a lot of people talked s*it about and for a long while he questioned his move. He got on at the West of the South when they had 23 airplanes, and had a good run. Granted, he retired about 6 years ago and can’t stand where the company seems to be going now. Is the grass greener elsewhere….it’s winter so it’s all brown now but I want to believe that this place or some form of it will be successful and thrive.

GrumpyCaptain

What’s with this sell to get attitude? This is not a regional. Please for the love of public negotiations stop selling…

mavsfflife

I’m hoping we start hearing more out of alpa at least attempting to rally the troops this time around. The apathy of this group 4 years ago was embarrassing.

CincoDeMayo

What can Spirit ALPA do to get people off their butts? They buy food, sometimes provide hotel and transportation; people just need to show up. I see guys showing up to take 3 pizzas and a growler of beer home with our unity events, and those same people are no shows for picketing.

This isn’t on ALPA, your pilot group is either motivated for change or they are not.

Excargodog

What part of newbies did you not understand? Sure, it would be great if EVERYBODY got better than industry standard, but it’s difficult to deny that first year pay is a problem for retention of new hires. They get out of IOE, update their apps/resume to reflect a new type, and start getting offers from others with better pay in training than they are making on reserve.




Do you seriously believe that doesn’t affect first year attrition? GMAFB.

PossibleDeviation

When is the contract due to expire? Outsider hoping to become an insider soon.

CincoDeMayo

Ahh, pretty pictures.

Get a clue.

First year pay doesn’t matter when years 2-12 lags.

Yeah, let’s bump first year pay to make it comfortable for guys to spend a year here before they get on with UAL or DAL. GMAFB.

People aren’t leaving because of first year pay. People are/will leave because of pay 2-12 and other reasons. Honestly clueless to think first year pay is the problem for attrition.

As said before, we have senior FOs and CAs leaving. Years past first year. You are blind if you only see your first year mantra over and over in your head. Problem is much bigger now, try and keep up; might be better to stay in the covid forums, lots of pretty charts for you to post over there.