Halon1211

Cinco,

carefully what you are saying. Tornado and others might start to think we are the same hotel pen eating people.

Tornado875

Well now I am curious, about the healthcare differences here. Whats the difference in cost per month to you and me, 50$ -100$ a month? Even at only 12$ an hour more an hour you are going to be making that difference up pretty quickly. Side note - What steps of the payscale between NK and B6 are there only a 12$ an hour difference, off the top of my head I would think only year 1/2 FO, but I don't have the tables in front of me.

I like our flight attendants. I rarely see them in the same hotels as us but I tend to enjoy it when they are worth spending time with.

CincoDeMayo

As far as the healthcare, NK offers more choices for health care plans. JBLU seems to offer only high deductible plans in HRA/HSA formats where the companny contirbutes money each year to the fund and the pilot uses that to offset the high dedctible for the HSA/HRA. NK offers HRA and HSA high deductible plans as well, however with higher company contributions. JBLU offers I believe $2000 for your HRA once a wellness check is done, $1000 before and $1000 after the wellness exam. NK HRA family is $3000 annually, no wellness exam required, you get the money Jan1 for the family.

In addition, NK offers POS plans for those who rather have lower decutibles and pay a coinsurance from the first visit of the year vs wokring towards a high deducitble.

But even comparing just the NK HRA/HSA plans vs JBLU HRA/HSA plans apples to apples, NK has a greater company seen fund, less effective deductibles and less max out of pocket for a catastrophic year in which someone in the family gets very sick and you are required to max out deductibles; NK max is $9640 out of pocket, JBLU is $14000. All these numbers are on the contract comparison guide.

Also, not a big deal, but our dental insuance is free as well with any health plan, PPO or DMO, free.

I dont have access to your premiums but NK does have very good healthcare for those of us with families. I know young single pilots might not look too deep into family coverage and max out of pocket amounts, but NK does have very nice coverage.

Doesn't matter anyways, need to get past the court case and JBLU needs to proceed with this cluster. The fact some moron is talking about the word "Applebees" being in a CBA when both airlines are hemoraging money just shows how some cant see the forest for the f'n trees.

None of this matters now.

Macjet

Why thankfully? One of our greatest features is the ability to manipulate our schedules and picking up out of base is one of them. If a trip isn't working for a local guy then why should it be denied to someone else?

disenchantMINT

Your name-calling aside, if you don't want to be looked at or treated like K-Mart/Applebees/dollar store level pilots, don't have Applebees specifically mentioned as an acceptable layover dining option.

Quite honestly it's embarrassing, and I'm certain United/Delta/etc would fire their entire NC if they dared disrepsect their profession by including such a "restaurant" (using that term loosely) in the hotel standards. It has less to do with Applebees itself rather than the general level you see yourselves and how the company views you. That is precisely seeing the forest for the trees. Please leave your ULCC mindset behind if the court allows this acquisition.

disenchantMINT

If it's not working for a local guy, he can just drop it even if it takes him to zero, right?

It should be denied to anyone outside of the base, because a) it can allow pilots to get trips their seniority otherwise wouldn't hold, b) may prevent an in-base pilot from getting a 200% flying opportunity, and c) distorts base staffing. It's a benefit to the company and the one selfish pilot who gets the trip, but a detriment to the pilot group as a whole. This is stuff people should have learned by the time they got out of the regionals.

fcoolaiddrinker

A and c could be mitigated with an out of domicile time fence. Of course b is true but the down side to leaving ugly trips in opentime waiting for them to go premium clogs the grid and makes it more difficult to manipulate a schedule.

Sometimes you need to make a choice. Do we want more premium Or ability to drop/swap? That’s the choice with out of domicile. Everything else you mentioned gets mitigated with a time fence.

SoFloFlyer

Not quite how that plays out.

A personal story here. I have family that I’ll be seeing in South Florida over thanksgiving. That weekend, there’s plenty of trips in every base and on both the tradeboard and the open time board. Since I was able to drop to zero (awarded thanksgiving off as a 1st year FO I might add) and rebuild my schedule, I had that weekend off too. Since I’ll be in town, I decided to pick up a trip from another pilot giving them a that weekend off. All because we’re able to pick up out of base. Win, win for everyone.

I believe the disconnect between us and y’all are that have pilots in bases that they don’t want (this isn’t the case for a large majority of the NK pilot group). So picking up out of base doesn’t have the same effect as you believe it does.

Tornado875

I vote more premium. And as far as ugly trips clogging the opentime pot I keep being told on this board that one mans trash is another mans treasure and that idea drives the ability to Drop/Swap your way to honor and glory regardless of seniority and holidays.

fcoolaiddrinker

Sounds like you don’t have grid issues. That would make sense then.