Attrition
11-12-2023, 04:15 AM
#3431
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2022
Position: Switch it up
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DTZ
DTZ is industry standard. JetBlue is the only major that I know of that does not have DTZ – which is a huge detractor, imo.
The thing that makes NK's schedule flexibility work so well are the grid rules.
The thing that makes NK's schedule flexibility work so well are the grid rules.
11-12-2023, 04:23 AM
#3432
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2019
Posts: 363
Believe me, I absolutely don't want to be that "back at XXX" guy.
Usually it comes up after they ask what I think about the B6 merger. A surprising amount of people have never seen the contact comparison pamphlet our union put out. After they see that B6's contract beats our in almost every way is usually when I tell them how some of our regional language was better than NK's ( parking brake released door closed, block or better leg by leg, etc etc)
Usually it comes up after they ask what I think about the B6 merger. A surprising amount of people have never seen the contact comparison pamphlet our union put out. After they see that B6's contract beats our in almost every way is usually when I tell them how some of our regional language was better than NK's ( parking brake released door closed, block or better leg by leg, etc etc)
11-12-2023, 04:29 AM
#3433
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,909
January 1.
It’s weird because we were actually always paid block or better per leg and never had the language up until 2018.
During contract negotiations in 2018 Bendo turned off the mechanism for it with our pay (not sure if he knew or not,) but it was never in the contract and it was “turned off”. Not sure how this passed “status quo” in section 6 talks, but it did. And here is is, almost 6 years later, and finally getting it back again.
It’s weird because we were actually always paid block or better per leg and never had the language up until 2018.
During contract negotiations in 2018 Bendo turned off the mechanism for it with our pay (not sure if he knew or not,) but it was never in the contract and it was “turned off”. Not sure how this passed “status quo” in section 6 talks, but it did. And here is is, almost 6 years later, and finally getting it back again.
11-12-2023, 04:31 AM
#3434
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Joined APC: Jan 2019
Posts: 363
doesn’t B6 pay more for health insurance premiums? Can B6 pilots pick up trips out of base? What does B6 pilots contract say about cleaning the planes in between turns? Can a B6 pilots get disciplined for using the commuter clause?
please tell me more about this pamphlet…
please tell me more about this pamphlet…
Don't know much about insurance costs here or there, sorry. Thankfully our contract prohibits picking up out of base, but regrettably we allowed them in our last CBA a "global open time" to be used under certain circumstances (and to my knowledge it has not been used). Pilots are under no circumstances required (or asked) to clean airplanes. That trope has been played out for years, thanks for your **** poor attempt at demeaning humor. No one gets disciplined for using the commuter clause. You're welcome for your (pending litigation) large upcoming pay raise.
11-12-2023, 04:44 AM
#3435
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,909
I know you're trolling, but I'll bite.
Don't know much about insurance costs here or there, sorry. Thankfully our contract prohibits picking up out of base, but regrettably we allowed them in our last CBA a "global open time" to be used under certain circumstances (and to my knowledge it has not been used). Pilots are under no circumstances required (or asked) to clean airplanes. That trope has been played out for years, thanks for your **** poor attempt at demeaning humor. No one gets disciplined for using the commuter clause. You're welcome for your (pending litigation) large upcoming pay raise.
Don't know much about insurance costs here or there, sorry. Thankfully our contract prohibits picking up out of base, but regrettably we allowed them in our last CBA a "global open time" to be used under certain circumstances (and to my knowledge it has not been used). Pilots are under no circumstances required (or asked) to clean airplanes. That trope has been played out for years, thanks for your **** poor attempt at demeaning humor. No one gets disciplined for using the commuter clause. You're welcome for your (pending litigation) large upcoming pay raise.
He is correct about the healthcare, JBLU options are inferior to NK and hopefully that can be improved on.
As far as you flexing about a pay raise, come on. There is a reason your company is overpaying to historic levels to acquire NK, and it’s safe to say JBLUs own future wouldn’t be roses without those planes and growth. So sure, NK will thank you for those “large pay raises” (which it isn’t) as soon as JBU thanks NK for not getting swallowed up by the big 4
Like it or not, both airlines need each other to survive. Maybe not survive in the sense of going away, but survive as in being able to compete, grow, and be successful.
11-12-2023, 05:55 AM
#3436
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2019
Posts: 363
Halon is a moron, so don’t take the bait of his trolling.
He is correct about the healthcare, JBLU options are inferior to NK and hopefully that can be improved on.
As far as you flexing about a pay raise, come on. There is a reason your company is overpaying to historic levels to acquire NK, and it’s safe to say JBLUs own future wouldn’t be roses without those planes and growth. So sure, NK will thank you for those “large pay raises” (which it isn’t) as soon as JBU thanks NK for not getting swallowed up by the big 4
Like it or not, both airlines need each other to survive. Maybe not survive in the sense of going away, but survive as in being able to compete, grow, and be successful.
He is correct about the healthcare, JBLU options are inferior to NK and hopefully that can be improved on.
As far as you flexing about a pay raise, come on. There is a reason your company is overpaying to historic levels to acquire NK, and it’s safe to say JBLUs own future wouldn’t be roses without those planes and growth. So sure, NK will thank you for those “large pay raises” (which it isn’t) as soon as JBU thanks NK for not getting swallowed up by the big 4
Like it or not, both airlines need each other to survive. Maybe not survive in the sense of going away, but survive as in being able to compete, grow, and be successful.
As far as the reason for the acquisition (your word)... JB simply cannot get deliveries fast enough from the factories. Plus this engine issue is going to be a problem.
I've been perusing your contract and it seems it will indeed be a large raise, and I'm happy for you.
One little nugget I found in the Spirit contract which I think sets the tone for the entire document is found in the Hotel Minimum Standards section (5.A.2.a.7) which states hotels must be "within walkable proximity to acceptable chain restaurants, e.g., Applebee’s or Chili’s." Applebees or Chilis may be acceptable to your clientele, but it shouldn't be acceptable to major airline pilots.
11-12-2023, 05:56 AM
#3437
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 3,230
I know you're trolling, but I'll bite.
Don't know much about insurance costs here or there, sorry. Thankfully our contract prohibits picking up out of base, but regrettably we allowed them in our last CBA a "global open time" to be used under certain circumstances (and to my knowledge it has not been used). Pilots are under no circumstances required (or asked) to clean airplanes. That trope has been played out for years, thanks for your **** poor attempt at demeaning humor. No one gets disciplined for using the commuter clause. You're welcome for your (pending litigation) large upcoming pay raise.
Don't know much about insurance costs here or there, sorry. Thankfully our contract prohibits picking up out of base, but regrettably we allowed them in our last CBA a "global open time" to be used under certain circumstances (and to my knowledge it has not been used). Pilots are under no circumstances required (or asked) to clean airplanes. That trope has been played out for years, thanks for your **** poor attempt at demeaning humor. No one gets disciplined for using the commuter clause. You're welcome for your (pending litigation) large upcoming pay raise.
yes, your insurance is lagging regardless if you are clueless or not.
I challenged you to compare our commuter clause vs yours and see for yourself. Simbian even discussed it before on another thread and some b6 pilots were so shocked they cried that we were getting away with robbery.
Picking up out of base is a blessing. Not sure why you think it’s a bad thing.
having said all that I will be the first to admitted I am very much looking forward to having yalls pay raise. And hopefully pilots like you could start to understand what are works rules are like and maybe think about keeping some.
11-12-2023, 06:02 AM
#3438
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2019
Posts: 363
yes Halon is trolling, but at the same time coming up with valid points. 🤔
yes, your insurance is lagging regardless if you are clueless or not.
I challenged you to compare our commuter clause vs yours and see for yourself. Simbian even discussed it before on another thread and some b6 pilots were so shocked they cried that we were getting away with robbery.
Picking up out of base is a blessing. Not sure why you think it’s a bad thing.
having said all that I will be the first to admitted I am very much looking forward to having yalls pay raise. And hopefully pilots like you could start to understand what are works rules are like and maybe think about keeping some.
yes, your insurance is lagging regardless if you are clueless or not.
I challenged you to compare our commuter clause vs yours and see for yourself. Simbian even discussed it before on another thread and some b6 pilots were so shocked they cried that we were getting away with robbery.
Picking up out of base is a blessing. Not sure why you think it’s a bad thing.
having said all that I will be the first to admitted I am very much looking forward to having yalls pay raise. And hopefully pilots like you could start to understand what are works rules are like and maybe think about keeping some.
Picking up out of base allows pilots who would not normally have the seniority to be lineholders in one base bid to another and pillage open time from pilots senior to them. If you want to work trips out of base XXX, bid base XXX instead of base YYY. Additionally, the more OT left over the more opportunities for 200% pay for pilots in the base they bid for. It is selfish and short-sighted to push for out-of-base trip pickups.
11-12-2023, 06:13 AM
#3439
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,909
The health plan I subscribe to is better than most of my six-figure professionals acquaintances' health plans, but I'd be open to improvements so long as they aren't to the detriment of other gains.
As far as the reason for the acquisition (your word)... JB simply cannot get deliveries fast enough from the factories. Plus this engine issue is going to be a problem.
I've been perusing your contract and it seems it will indeed be a large raise, and I'm happy for you.
One little nugget I found in the Spirit contract which I think sets the tone for the entire document is found in the Hotel Minimum Standards section (5.A.2.a.7) which states hotels must be "within walkable proximity to acceptable chain restaurants, e.g., Applebee’s or Chili’s." Applebees or Chilis may be acceptable to your clientele, but it shouldn't be acceptable to major airline pilots.
As far as the reason for the acquisition (your word)... JB simply cannot get deliveries fast enough from the factories. Plus this engine issue is going to be a problem.
I've been perusing your contract and it seems it will indeed be a large raise, and I'm happy for you.
One little nugget I found in the Spirit contract which I think sets the tone for the entire document is found in the Hotel Minimum Standards section (5.A.2.a.7) which states hotels must be "within walkable proximity to acceptable chain restaurants, e.g., Applebee’s or Chili’s." Applebees or Chilis may be acceptable to your clientele, but it shouldn't be acceptable to major airline pilots.
Who cares what other "six figure professional friends" of yours have for healthcare, totally irrevelant. Your healthcare options lag.
I would make $12/hr more under your hourly rates next year vs current NK book. This isnt a large raise, it changes my life none.
And the hotels, haha. Seriously? Your CBA just says "choice of full service restaurants," and you're stroking it over that? Nah, you must be a troll. Your hotel standard is 3 star or better, whats that, a Hampton Inn or better?
I get it, you're a troll. But come with better stuff than hotel language. THANKFULLY we dont have to stay with our FAs like you guys seem to do. At least it makes sense, you helping them clean the planes after the last flight, you can walk to the shuttle together. Nice crew enviroment you have over there.
11-12-2023, 06:17 AM
#3440
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2019
Posts: 363
Ah, so youre the JBLU troll. Makes sense.
Who cares what other "six figure professional friends" of yours have for healthcare, totally irrevelant. Your healthcare options lag.
I would make $12/hr more under your hourly rates next year vs current NK book. This isnt a large raise, it changes my life none.
And the hotels, haha. Seriously? Your CBA just says "choice of full service restaurants," and you're stroking it over that? Nah, you must be a troll. Your hotel standard is 3 star or better, whats that, a Hampton Inn or better?
I get it, you're a troll. But come with better stuff than hotel language. THANKFULLY we dont have to stay with our FAs like you guys seem to do. At least it makes sense, you helping them clean the planes after the last flight, you can walk to the shuttle together. Nice crew enviroment you have over there.
Who cares what other "six figure professional friends" of yours have for healthcare, totally irrevelant. Your healthcare options lag.
I would make $12/hr more under your hourly rates next year vs current NK book. This isnt a large raise, it changes my life none.
And the hotels, haha. Seriously? Your CBA just says "choice of full service restaurants," and you're stroking it over that? Nah, you must be a troll. Your hotel standard is 3 star or better, whats that, a Hampton Inn or better?
I get it, you're a troll. But come with better stuff than hotel language. THANKFULLY we dont have to stay with our FAs like you guys seem to do. At least it makes sense, you helping them clean the planes after the last flight, you can walk to the shuttle together. Nice crew enviroment you have over there.
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