Attrition
10-17-2023, 07:13 AM
#3361
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,114
Well, if the company isn’t going to make a profit for awhile it’ll cost them virtually nothing to modify the contract to give the pilots substantial profit sharing once they do make a profit. It’s currently still a competitive market out there for pilots, regardless of what else is going on. And Pratt&Whitney is taking a $3 billion hit themselves, in large part to compensate airlines that are suing them for selling a defective product. To the extent P&W is part of the problem, they can also be part of the solution.
10-17-2023, 08:28 AM
#3362
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,909
Well, if the company isn’t going to make a profit for awhile it’ll cost them virtually nothing to modify the contract to give the pilots substantial profit sharing once they do make a profit. It’s currently still a competitive market out there for pilots, regardless of what else is going on. And Pratt&Whitney is taking a $3 billion hit themselves, in large part to compensate airlines that are suing them for selling a defective product. To the extent P&W is part of the problem, they can also be part of the solution.
10-17-2023, 01:10 PM
#3363
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2022
Posts: 859
10-17-2023, 01:51 PM
#3364
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,909
10-18-2023, 05:29 AM
#3365
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2021
Posts: 32
What just happened?
Did we just witness a master class in negotiations?
1. Jetblue gives non scheduled LOA improvements
2. SPA MEC predictably runs to CEO office, 'Hey what about us?"
3. CEO gives sob story about $$$, releases forward looking info that may be, but likely is not entirely truthful.
4. Union disseminates this information to members.
5. Anonymous first time poster makes it officially public in this chat. Info is out, and released by a third party absolving the company of any wrong doing.
6. Jetblue arguments in court are now much stronger with Spirit being in decline. "Hey Judge, they will go bankrupt if we don't save them"
7. JCBA whipsaw with threats of furlough. "Vote YES or else we will furlough, we simply can't afford to prolong this"
Did management just let us carry all the water for them? Looks that way....
This all conviently benefits Spirit and JetBlue management.....
1. Jetblue gives non scheduled LOA improvements
2. SPA MEC predictably runs to CEO office, 'Hey what about us?"
3. CEO gives sob story about $$$, releases forward looking info that may be, but likely is not entirely truthful.
4. Union disseminates this information to members.
5. Anonymous first time poster makes it officially public in this chat. Info is out, and released by a third party absolving the company of any wrong doing.
6. Jetblue arguments in court are now much stronger with Spirit being in decline. "Hey Judge, they will go bankrupt if we don't save them"
7. JCBA whipsaw with threats of furlough. "Vote YES or else we will furlough, we simply can't afford to prolong this"
Did management just let us carry all the water for them? Looks that way....
This all conviently benefits Spirit and JetBlue management.....
10-18-2023, 06:04 AM
#3366
RSV4LIFE
Joined APC: Oct 2023
Posts: 82
Did we just witness a master class in negotiations?
1. Jetblue gives non scheduled LOA improvements
2. SPA MEC predictably runs to CEO office, 'Hey what about us?"
3. CEO gives sob story about $$$, releases forward looking info that may be, but likely is not entirely truthful.
4. Union disseminates this information to members.
5. Anonymous first time poster makes it officially public in this chat. Info is out, and released by a third party absolving the company of any wrong doing.
6. Jetblue arguments in court are now much stronger with Spirit being in decline. "Hey Judge, they will go bankrupt if we don't save them"
7. JCBA whipsaw with threats of furlough. "Vote YES or else we will furlough, we simply can't afford to prolong this"
Did management just let us carry all the water for them? Looks that way....
This all conviently benefits Spirit and JetBlue management.....
1. Jetblue gives non scheduled LOA improvements
2. SPA MEC predictably runs to CEO office, 'Hey what about us?"
3. CEO gives sob story about $$$, releases forward looking info that may be, but likely is not entirely truthful.
4. Union disseminates this information to members.
5. Anonymous first time poster makes it officially public in this chat. Info is out, and released by a third party absolving the company of any wrong doing.
6. Jetblue arguments in court are now much stronger with Spirit being in decline. "Hey Judge, they will go bankrupt if we don't save them"
7. JCBA whipsaw with threats of furlough. "Vote YES or else we will furlough, we simply can't afford to prolong this"
Did management just let us carry all the water for them? Looks that way....
This all conviently benefits Spirit and JetBlue management.....
10-18-2023, 06:42 AM
#3367
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Posts: 445
Did we just witness a master class in negotiations?
1. Jetblue gives non scheduled LOA improvements
2. SPA MEC predictably runs to CEO office, 'Hey what about us?"
3. CEO gives sob story about $$$, releases forward looking info that may be, but likely is not entirely truthful.
4. Union disseminates this information to members.
5. Anonymous first time poster makes it officially public in this chat. Info is out, and released by a third party absolving the company of any wrong doing.
6. Jetblue arguments in court are now much stronger with Spirit being in decline. "Hey Judge, they will go bankrupt if we don't save them"
7. JCBA whipsaw with threats of furlough. "Vote YES or else we will furlough, we simply can't afford to prolong this"
Did management just let us carry all the water for them? Looks that way....
This all conviently benefits Spirit and JetBlue management.....
1. Jetblue gives non scheduled LOA improvements
2. SPA MEC predictably runs to CEO office, 'Hey what about us?"
3. CEO gives sob story about $$$, releases forward looking info that may be, but likely is not entirely truthful.
4. Union disseminates this information to members.
5. Anonymous first time poster makes it officially public in this chat. Info is out, and released by a third party absolving the company of any wrong doing.
6. Jetblue arguments in court are now much stronger with Spirit being in decline. "Hey Judge, they will go bankrupt if we don't save them"
7. JCBA whipsaw with threats of furlough. "Vote YES or else we will furlough, we simply can't afford to prolong this"
Did management just let us carry all the water for them? Looks that way....
This all conviently benefits Spirit and JetBlue management.....
Teddy just took an axe to the spa mec's APPLE TREE.
What percieved equity does the SPA MEC now bring to the JCBA? How's that gonna affect the SLI? I seem to remember them telling us we had to take the deal so we had a better position with our equity in the negotiations or it could negatively impact our position in the SLI. Looks like JetBlue's MEC just widened the gap.
If someone lost a difference of $386M from a projected $61M profit and further devalued the the stakeholders value when everyone else is turning a profit, I'd think his head would be on the boards chopping block! Something seems amiss.
10-18-2023, 06:52 AM
#3368
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2023
Posts: 175
And JetBlue pilots.
Teddy just took an axe to the spa mec's APPLE TREE.
What percieved equity does the SPA MEC now bring to the JCBA? How's that gonna affect the SLI? I seem to remember them telling us we had to take the deal so we had a better position with our equity in the negotiations or it could negatively impact our position in the SLI. Looks like JetBlue's MEC just widened the gap.
If someone lost a difference of $386M from a projected $61M profit and further devalued the the stakeholders value when everyone else is turning a profit, I'd think his head would be on the boards chopping block! Something seems amiss.
Teddy just took an axe to the spa mec's APPLE TREE.
What percieved equity does the SPA MEC now bring to the JCBA? How's that gonna affect the SLI? I seem to remember them telling us we had to take the deal so we had a better position with our equity in the negotiations or it could negatively impact our position in the SLI. Looks like JetBlue's MEC just widened the gap.
If someone lost a difference of $386M from a projected $61M profit and further devalued the the stakeholders value when everyone else is turning a profit, I'd think his head would be on the boards chopping block! Something seems amiss.
10-18-2023, 07:41 AM
#3370
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 503
And JetBlue pilots.
Teddy just took an axe to the spa mec's APPLE TREE.
What percieved equity does the SPA MEC now bring to the JCBA? How's that gonna affect the SLI? I seem to remember them telling us we had to take the deal so we had a better position with our equity in the negotiations or it could negatively impact our position in the SLI. Looks like JetBlue's MEC just widened the gap.
If someone lost a difference of $386M from a projected $61M profit and further devalued the the stakeholders value when everyone else is turning a profit, I'd think his head would be on the boards chopping block! Something seems amiss.
Teddy just took an axe to the spa mec's APPLE TREE.
What percieved equity does the SPA MEC now bring to the JCBA? How's that gonna affect the SLI? I seem to remember them telling us we had to take the deal so we had a better position with our equity in the negotiations or it could negatively impact our position in the SLI. Looks like JetBlue's MEC just widened the gap.
If someone lost a difference of $386M from a projected $61M profit and further devalued the the stakeholders value when everyone else is turning a profit, I'd think his head would be on the boards chopping block! Something seems amiss.
the axe LOL
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