Irishblackbird

So the MEC sends and email to us emphasizing awareness to management with regard to JetBlue's contractual improvements and the ever changing landscape. Why have they not continued to post our attrition data to support the effort? Wouldn't this also bolster that "second bite of the apple" the negotiating committee hard sold the group on?

CincoDeMayo

Thats been covered months ago; the company provides that info and no longer wants to provide that info on a monthly basis as they have before.

RemoveB4flght

There is no second bite. There isn’t even an apple. The NC spooked most of our group into taking the first offer, and assuaged the fears of those who were on the fence with this bites of the apple nonsense. We have nothing left to sell to the company that would bolster the deal we got suckered into last January. Now the MEC’s move is withhold supporting the merger (really?) in hopes that Robin and the gang will throw us a bone between a possible positive court outcome and the JCBA. It’s not the strongest position to negotiate from.

PossibleDeviation

They are supposed to come quarterly. I haven’t seen one since Feb 1 of this year. Where are the numbers?

Irishblackbird

Yes it was. My point is if you are trying to raise awareness of something, why would you not gather and disseminate data that supports your argument. Beyond that why would the company compile information that supports the oppositions stance? Should that not be the unions responsibility? The union is fully capable of gathering the data and releasing it on a more frequent basis.

Irishblackbird

I couldn't agree more.

Blue Dude

Don't you have your own management? How is "Robin and the gang" in any position to throw you anything?

RemoveB4flght

The communication put out by our MEC stated there is a long road between merger approval and a JCBA, and as much as they would like to state full support for the merger many questions remain, including economic disparities and equal work for equal pay. To be honest I don’t know what they expect, as specific terms were not discussed, but what I gleaned from the message was they want some sort of assurances of parity specifically from B6 management in the interim to the JCBA. NK management was not mentioned. Your guess is as good as mine.

Lakeaffect

Raise awareness to who exactly? The company knows the info and doesn’t care, they are loosing money and it’s not due to pilot attrition. Labor costs and high fuel costs combined with low revenue. People want to fly first class and they want to fly internationally. We don’t provide those right now except south of the border which is not the money making international flying I’m talking about. You can kick and scream all you want, but replacing the MEC won’t do anything. I can’t believe you would think that would matter.

Put yourself in TC’s position. He already raised pilot pay once to stem attrition. If it didn’t help then why would he raise pay again?

All a new MEC can do is ASK for more money. That’s it.

I get that you’re upset, but I think you’re focusing on the wrong end of the formula. If you want a fast change in your situation the best thing as others have said is to leave and go elsewhere. If you want to stick it out here, I do fully think it will get better, but it’s not a quick fix and replacing the MEC going into a merger is irresponsible and selfish in my view.

Bluedriver

I just think it's a dumb position. If withholding support for the merger (to pressure a raise prior to JCBA) ends up being the straw that breaks the camels back, and the merger ends up being blocked in part because of it, I don't think that will prove to be a wise decision.