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04-13-2023, 05:58 AM
#3221
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Zero growth in hubs that have a large legacy presence seems to be the most common theme with the FOs I’ve flown with. Almost all of them had every intention on staying until the displacement came out. Only reason to come to and stay at Spirit is if you live in Florida or don’t mind being Vegas based….
04-13-2023, 06:07 AM
#3222
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Yeah, that was me. Knowing I will likely never upgrade in DFW, when I can potentially upgrade at AA in 3 years or less, it was a no brainer. I really enjoyed my time at Spirit for the most part, but with management checking out, merger uncertainties, huge displacements, it was time to go.
04-13-2023, 06:09 AM
#3223
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What I hear a lot on the line is that the merger is driving away junior FOs. Between uncertainties of the what the post merger JB will look like and fear of being displaced to JFK, people seem to be jumping ship.
It seems like the line is drawn around the people with 4-6 years on property. They’re not going anywhere. This is all anecdotal, of course, but it seems to be consistent with people I speak with.
It seems like the line is drawn around the people with 4-6 years on property. They’re not going anywhere. This is all anecdotal, of course, but it seems to be consistent with people I speak with.
04-13-2023, 07:26 AM
#3224
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What benefit does a new hire have to stay at spirit?
Quick upgrade?- not after all those thirsty jetblue pilots get their hands on them
Florida bases?- more thirsty JB pilots
Quick upgrade in Florida bases? Lolz
QOL?- not after you find yourself below all those young, thirsty, JB pilots
First to profitability?- how’s that going? You guys gonna be profitable Q1 this year after last years ugly numbers?
Base stability?- We’ll see after JB is done with you.
Pay rates?- You’re still lagging. There’s nothing amazing at what they offered you after you’re new LOA.
An amazing JCBA with JB?- Sure. Why wait around for god knows how long (2-5 years prob) for some potential great CBA when you can go to a legacy with massive retirements, better CBAs already, and WB Flying.
New hires/recent hires look at spirit and JB and see an uncertain SLI, stolen seniority, and a very uncertain future. Why give up the greatest hiring wave in generations to wait around for Spirit/JB?
Quick upgrade?- not after all those thirsty jetblue pilots get their hands on them
Florida bases?- more thirsty JB pilots
Quick upgrade in Florida bases? Lolz
QOL?- not after you find yourself below all those young, thirsty, JB pilots
First to profitability?- how’s that going? You guys gonna be profitable Q1 this year after last years ugly numbers?
Base stability?- We’ll see after JB is done with you.
Pay rates?- You’re still lagging. There’s nothing amazing at what they offered you after you’re new LOA.
An amazing JCBA with JB?- Sure. Why wait around for god knows how long (2-5 years prob) for some potential great CBA when you can go to a legacy with massive retirements, better CBAs already, and WB Flying.
New hires/recent hires look at spirit and JB and see an uncertain SLI, stolen seniority, and a very uncertain future. Why give up the greatest hiring wave in generations to wait around for Spirit/JB?
04-13-2023, 08:45 AM
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04-13-2023, 08:48 AM
#3227
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04-13-2023, 09:31 AM
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04-13-2023, 09:36 AM
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04-13-2023, 10:27 AM
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