Attrition
02-02-2023, 08:57 AM
#3151
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2019
Posts: 363
As long as some Spirit guys are justifying your low rates with "QOL! work rules!" which are lagging JB's work rules in aggregate, then yes you are going to hear that. And there are also JB pilots who need to shift their mentalities to the current reality which is that we are competing with the Big 3 with premium products in N/S America and to Europe, not competing with Frontier and Sun Country.
02-02-2023, 09:38 AM
#3152
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,252
This is getting pretty chippy guys…
I understand, SLIs are always going to be contentious. The 2013 UAL/Continental SLI still causes bad feelings at UAL, and spawned a decade long court battle:
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-5th-circuit/1867986.html
These things get everyone emotional.
But if anyone thinks that the two pilot groups throwing insults back and forth is the way to get a pilot group unified and thinking about the best ways to negotiate for the optimum JCBA, then they are raving idiots. More constructive comments and fewer insults might be a better path.
I understand, SLIs are always going to be contentious. The 2013 UAL/Continental SLI still causes bad feelings at UAL, and spawned a decade long court battle:
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-5th-circuit/1867986.html
These things get everyone emotional.
But if anyone thinks that the two pilot groups throwing insults back and forth is the way to get a pilot group unified and thinking about the best ways to negotiate for the optimum JCBA, then they are raving idiots. More constructive comments and fewer insults might be a better path.
02-02-2023, 02:38 PM
#3154
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2019
Position: baller, shot caller
Posts: 1,028
The old school white new balance crowd loves this kinda stuff, and it is deeply rooted in our culture
02-02-2023, 02:44 PM
#3155
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: A320
Posts: 1,318
Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo;[url=tel:3583959
3583959[/url]]I got bad news for you, Spirit will always be laughed at as long as we are Spirit.
Doesn't matter if you make $400/hr, you will still get the "oh, ok cool" when someone asks what airline you fly for.
Doesn't matter if you make $400/hr, you will still get the "oh, ok cool" when someone asks what airline you fly for.
And some of us don’t need to compensate for who we are, by bragging about what we do or who we do it for.
02-02-2023, 02:58 PM
#3156
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,491
02-02-2023, 04:00 PM
#3157
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2019
Posts: 76
Might want to let ALPA national in on that. They've been underwhelming for the last two decades in keeping this industry in pace compared to other "careers".
02-02-2023, 06:02 PM
#3159
New Hire
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: A320/CA
Posts: 3
Oh Cole, just go one wheel for awhile. You’ll feel better.
02-02-2023, 06:30 PM
#3160
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2021
Posts: 51
FWIW, I worked at B6 and now at a legacy. Other than the commute, my QOL at B6 was good. The better pay rates at the legacies comes at the cost QOL and work rules. No DTZ or similar mechanisms. Trips can be down right brutal. Just saying, be careful what you bargain for.
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