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01-27-2023, 10:41 PM
#3091
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Joined APC: Aug 2020
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 711
A McDonald’s employee doesn’t do the work of / nor have the education / experience / expertise of a 5 star chef, whereas a spirit Airbus driver and a delta Airbus driver literally have the exact same certification and experience and do the same job. Anybody can be a McDonald’s employee. Not everyone can be a 5 star chef. The numbers of each prove that. Not everyone can be an ATP pilot, and spirit and delta draw from the same applicant pool. Again, McDonald’s employees and 5 star chefs do not come from anywhere near the same pool. So, I’d say you using that comparison followed up by your comment about you understanding business financials is contradictory.
Better analogy is that we are no different than other professional services like lawyers, accountants and physicians. We do the same work, same degrees/qualifications, same procedures but those that work for bigger more prestigious hospitals/firms/airlines make more. Never understood why people don’t get that at reality.
01-28-2023, 04:58 AM
#3092
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Joined APC: Jun 2021
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 655
Just chiming in… the McDonalds vs chef analogy was flawed just like you pointed out.
Better analogy is that we are no different than other professional services like lawyers, accountants and physicians. We do the same work, same degrees/qualifications, same procedures but those that work for bigger more prestigious hospitals/firms/airlines make more. Never understood why people don’t get that at reality.
Better analogy is that we are no different than other professional services like lawyers, accountants and physicians. We do the same work, same degrees/qualifications, same procedures but those that work for bigger more prestigious hospitals/firms/airlines make more. Never understood why people don’t get that at reality.
01-28-2023, 08:25 AM
#3093
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 2,335
Just chiming in… the McDonalds vs chef analogy was flawed just like you pointed out.
Better analogy is that we are no different than other professional services like lawyers, accountants and physicians. We do the same work, same degrees/qualifications, same procedures but those that work for bigger more prestigious hospitals/firms/airlines make more. Never understood why people don’t get that at reality.
Better analogy is that we are no different than other professional services like lawyers, accountants and physicians. We do the same work, same degrees/qualifications, same procedures but those that work for bigger more prestigious hospitals/firms/airlines make more. Never understood why people don’t get that at reality.
01-28-2023, 10:05 AM
#3094
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
Posts: 431
Negotiators negotiate based on polling data and MEC guidance. When you fill surveys out, put high numbers in there. Demand more at every opportunity. When your NC doesn’t achieve it and falls short, at least you’re still mid range. If you aim for average and don’t achieve it, you end up trailing the pack. And in the last 5-10 years, it appears both spirit and jetblue consistently like to trail everyone else.
01-28-2023, 10:44 AM
#3095
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Joined APC: Jun 2021
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 655
Employers don’t dictate pay rates. They negotiate them and they are mutually agreed upon. It’s up to your pilot group to determine what you are worth and what you are paid. The company will always try to pay you the bare minimum that you’d agree to. Sometimes it takes a majority “no” vote (or a MEC no vote before it gets to the pilot group) to boost it to what you believe you’re worth.
Negotiators negotiate based on polling data and MEC guidance. When you fill surveys out, put high numbers in there. Demand more at every opportunity. When your NC doesn’t achieve it and falls short, at least you’re still mid range. If you aim for average and don’t achieve it, you end up trailing the pack. And in the last 5-10 years, it appears both spirit and jetblue consistently like to trail everyone else.
Negotiators negotiate based on polling data and MEC guidance. When you fill surveys out, put high numbers in there. Demand more at every opportunity. When your NC doesn’t achieve it and falls short, at least you’re still mid range. If you aim for average and don’t achieve it, you end up trailing the pack. And in the last 5-10 years, it appears both spirit and jetblue consistently like to trail everyone else.
02-01-2023, 06:27 AM
#3097
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,112
Sort of, although in this environment that would quickly leave you with only the older and very senior pilots shackled by the golden handcuffs of seniority, and I’m not sure the NMB would actually let it go than far. Neither Congress nor the President actually wants to force someone into bankruptcy. Eventually unions do get released to strike, and with all the fixed overhead requirements of an airline the cost to management is devastating. Strikes tend to last only hours, sometimes minutes. But it’s a long process.
02-01-2023, 06:28 AM
#3098
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02-01-2023, 06:54 AM
#3099
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Joined APC: Jan 2019
Posts: 363
Just chiming in… the McDonalds vs chef analogy was flawed just like you pointed out.
Better analogy is that we are no different than other professional services like lawyers, accountants and physicians. We do the same work, same degrees/qualifications, same procedures but those that work for bigger more prestigious hospitals/firms/airlines make more. Never understood why people don’t get that at reality.
Better analogy is that we are no different than other professional services like lawyers, accountants and physicians. We do the same work, same degrees/qualifications, same procedures but those that work for bigger more prestigious hospitals/firms/airlines make more. Never understood why people don’t get that at reality.
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