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Old 01-07-2023, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by chesty
Well according to ALPA seniority number I’ve gone up 8 numbers as a captain since last Sunday… think attrition is about to accelerate again
Yeah, for sure. The post holiday hiring surge is happening to get people online for the summer. Southwest and American alone want 2000 each.
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Old 01-07-2023, 08:19 AM
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Yeah, for sure. The post holiday hiring surge is happening to get people online for the summer. Southwest and American alone want 2000 each.
Can’t believe I’m actually saying this but I think being at the bottom of a combined JetBlue/Spirit may actually be better than being at the bottom of southwest now. Similar in size and similar in pilot age. Both will have slow movement compared to legacies but I think new JB will be the better place long term
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Old 01-07-2023, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by chesty
Well according to ALPA seniority number I’ve gone up 8 numbers as a captain since last Sunday… think attrition is about to accelerate again

What are the total number of pilots on that list currently?
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Old 01-07-2023, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Noisecanceller
Both will have slow movement compared to legacies but I think new JB will be the better place long term
^^^This^^^Consider a couple things long-term. JetBlue’s new MINT is one of the best products going. Just secured another Heathrow Slot, Starting Paris this summer. Robin (CEO) comes from British Airways and B6 is breaking ground on new T6 at JFK. There’s probably a very deliberate planned reason for the Spirit acquisition. More Bases, more assets across the country for more diverse network, but also to feed the international flying. Open new markets in Europe with LR and XLR, build the brand and customer base across the pond; and dare I say it wide body flying one day. Worst case, with the new JCBA/Contract wide body rates or an override for Europe flying for LR/XLR, it will probably be industry standard soon.
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Old 01-07-2023, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Clear Right
^^^This^^^Consider a couple things long-term. JetBlue’s new MINT is one of the best products going. Just secured another Heathrow Slot, Starting Paris this summer. Robin (CEO) comes from British Airways and B6 is breaking ground on new T6 at JFK. There’s probably a very deliberate planned reason for the Spirit acquisition. More Bases, more assets across the country for more diverse network, but also to feed the international flying. Open new markets in Europe with LR and XLR, build the brand and customer base across the pond; and dare I say it wide body flying one day. Worst case, with the new JCBA/Contract wide body rates or an override for Europe flying for LR/XLR, it will probably be industry standard soon.
I like the optimism
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Old 01-08-2023, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Clear Right
^^^This^^^Consider a couple things long-term. JetBlue’s new MINT is one of the best products going. Just secured another Heathrow Slot, Starting Paris this summer. Robin (CEO) comes from British Airways and B6 is breaking ground on new T6 at JFK. There’s probably a very deliberate planned reason for the Spirit acquisition. More Bases, more assets across the country for more diverse network, but also to feed the international flying. Open new markets in Europe with LR and XLR, build the brand and customer base across the pond; and dare I say it wide body flying one day. Worst case, with the new JCBA/Contract wide body rates or an override for Europe flying for LR/XLR, it will probably be industry standard soon.
From the other side of the fence, I would say you have Robin's plans figured out. Now let's all hope it all works out.
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Old 01-10-2023, 03:10 AM
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Anybody have spirits retirement numbers?
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Old 01-10-2023, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
Anybody have spirits retirement numbers?
You don't want to see them, it is not good. One of main reasons I ended up leaving is that I quickly found out how young that pilot group really is. I was on the fence on whether I wanted to try to leave for a Legacy or not. but when the first seniority list came out that I was on and I saw my seniority % at retirement it sealed the deal. I literally turned back on my Airline apps applications that night and started working on Pilot Credentials. Now instead of retiring at 40%, I'll retire at 20%.

JetBLue is an older pilot group and I imagine when the merge happens, your seniority at retirement will improve a bit.
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Old 01-10-2023, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
Anybody have spirits retirement numbers?

Not good. Current ALPA numbers show 3268 on property right now. I hit 50% in 2037 and I am a 2021 hire.
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Old 01-10-2023, 07:28 AM
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Not good. Current ALPA numbers show 3268 on property right now. I hit 50% in 2037 and I am a 2021 hire.
I've been here less than 10 years, and below 20% RS, because growth. I tell every FO I fly with to consider leaving, because they will NEVER see that in 10 years With our retirements, to get to 20% we need to quadruple in size, basically AA in size. And that was before the JB merger.....
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