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Old 12-11-2022, 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by FlySAFT
So training pay up to $2500 coupled with no health insurance for 90 days is a big deal. It is a slap in the face. A worse slap was $1750 and I get it that all the current pilots endured that. If you are 25 years old with no family responsibilities, it may be a slap you can take. Can your family take it?

I feel like the company had a golden opportunity to address attrition. Regular pay during training, health insurance on day one, and at least match the pay that a new hire gets at a regional. Pretty simple. Opportunity missed.
The pay is sad, but can be overcome, the lack of benefits I personally feel is unethical. My friend just withdrew from a December Class. He was waiting on benefits so kept pushing the class date off hoping this contract would come through. He has medical needs with his child, and can't risk going without benefits for 3 months. He would be a Spirit lifer too, lives in FL and has zero interest in the legacies. Another solid loss of a good pilot that would STAY.
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Old 12-11-2022, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by In Exile
The pay is sad, but can be overcome, the lack of benefits I personally feel is unethical. My friend just withdrew from a December Class. He was waiting on benefits so kept pushing the class date off hoping this contract would come through. He has medical needs with his child, and can't risk going without benefits for 3 months. He would be a Spirit lifer too, lives in FL and has zero interest in the legacies. Another solid loss of a good pilot that would STAY.
Come to Frontier then
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Old 12-11-2022, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Stayontarget
Come to Frontier then
Go literally anywhere. Mesa pays more than Spirit.
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Old 12-11-2022, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
Go literally anywhere. Mesa pays more than Spirit.
Those Mesa retirement bennies though….. such a short sided view
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Old 12-11-2022, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by trd270
Those Mesa retirement bennies though….. such a short sided view
Keep in mind the vesting period for Spirit's 401k is 6 years. If you leave before then, you lose that retirement money they contributed.
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Old 12-11-2022, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
Keep in mind the vesting period for Spirit's 401k is 6 years. If you leave before then, you lose that retirement money they contributed.
a provision that may or may not survive the JCBA…
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Old 12-11-2022, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
a provision that may or may not survive the JCBA…
that’s a good point - what happens to the non-vested portion during a merger?
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Old 12-11-2022, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer
I asked a union rep this and they informed me that when the survey came back from the pilot group, certain reserve rules weren’t really a priority for negotiations
Shocker. "you'll be senior someday son"
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Old 12-11-2022, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ImSoSuss
Shocker. "you'll be senior someday son"

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Old 12-11-2022, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer
I asked a union rep this and they informed me that when the survey came back from the pilot group, certain reserve rules weren’t really a priority for negotiations
Next time you talk to this "union rep" ask him to share these survey results so we an actually see what was a priority. Feel like they are hiding stuff from us.
Sent a DART, never heard back.
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