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Old 12-20-2021, 08:38 AM
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Just sayin I’m top 30% in the company. Top 40% in base. Holidays off. No red eyes, no international. And In January I have 16 days off .. 7 off in a row , 5 off in a row, and 4 off in a row. And if I wanted more off I could drop any of my trips and get nearly two weeks off in a row. Or I could drop the entire month and be a ski bum.
if we got gobbled up by WN I’m guessing I wouldn’t be able to check off any of those boxes.
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Just sayin I’m top 30% in the company. Top 40% in base. Holidays off. No red eyes, no international. And In January I have 16 days off .. 7 off in a row , 5 off in a row, and 4 off in a row. And if I wanted more off I could drop any of my trips and get nearly two weeks off in a row. Or I could drop the entire month and be a ski bum.
if we got gobbled up by WN I’m guessing I wouldn’t be able to check off any of those boxes.
I’d have to thoroughly disagree with you but I’m not here for a dick measuring contest and truly hope that you guys get treated better than we did should it come to a merger.
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy2002
Just sayin I’m top 30% in the company. Top 40% in base. Holidays off. No red eyes, no international. And In January I have 16 days off .. 7 off in a row , 5 off in a row, and 4 off in a row. And if I wanted more off I could drop any of my trips and get nearly two weeks off in a row. Or I could drop the entire month and be a ski bum.
if we got gobbled up by WN I’m guessing I wouldn’t be able to check off any of those boxes.
you’d also be an F/O an again for a looooooong time
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Old 12-20-2021, 08:56 AM
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you’d also be an F/O an again for a looooooong time
Nope. Take it to arbitration.
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Old 12-20-2021, 08:57 AM
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I’d have to thoroughly disagree with you but I’m not here for a dick measuring contest and truly hope that you guys get treated better than we did should it come to a merger.
disagree ? Are you saying I’d even have a chance of being top 30% of the combined new company ? Having been on property less than 9 years.. and as far as dropping trips .. I honestly don’t know .. can you guys drop your entire month? Would that be included in a new JCBA ? And also ,do you think I’d still stay left seat in a acquisition? I’m not measuring Peters or digging on WN. Just saying there is zero way I keep what I have now if we got bought. Pay bump probably . And a good one at that. But my pay here way more than supports my needs.
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disagree ? Are you saying I’d even have a chance of being top 30% of the combined new company ? Having been on property less than 9 years.. and as far as dropping trips .. I honestly don’t know .. can you guys drop your entire month? Would that be included in a new JCBA ? And also ,do you think I’d still stay left seat in a acquisition? I’m not measuring Peters or digging on WN. Just saying there is zero way I keep what I have now if we got bought. Pay bump probably . And a good one at that. But my pay here way more than supports my needs.
It would all come down to the negotiating teams to determine all of that. Could have language that prevents existing captains from being forced to downgrade due to merger.

You can’t drop at SWA, certainly not like at NK. Let’s be real though, the odds of them buying NK are skim to none.
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Old 12-20-2021, 09:07 AM
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I agree . I think any M&A activity that my come won’t include the big 4. But amongst everyone else, it’s almost a certainty. Just one man’s opinion.
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Old 12-20-2021, 10:10 AM
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FWIW, we (SWA) are supposed to take up to 114 MAX7s next year if we exercise all the options. Only problem….the airplane’s not certified yet and certification is delayed.

I’m not insinuating a SWA/NK wedding but rather trying to calm your concerns that should one occur, I believe SWA is increasingly more likely to keep the Fifi’s especially as your fleet grows.
You SWA guys will have your minds blown to see the Airbus’ (Spirit) have brake temp limits and most all have no brake fans.

“But how do you make the first reverse high speed and taxi 50kts?”

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Old 12-20-2021, 01:10 PM
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Some guys are really on the M&A train.

Even in the event of a true pilot shortage, I don’t see another airline wanting to buy our pilot group and pay top dollar after months and years of arbitration.

First they have to convince our shareholders to either sell cheap, or go Gordon Gecko style acquiring us. “Blue Horseshoe loves Ned’s Kids”

We have orders, ok so what, no one’s really hurting for planes. Not much else in terms of key assets.

If we get to 3500-4000 pilots, the majority of which will have been on property less than 5 years. You think if the writing is on the wall the majority of those , especially in the right seat, won’t bounce to legacy ASAP but rather stay and fight for the senior guys here to get integrated and protected?

If you are top 30-40% of seniority here, the thought of a merger should wake you up at night in a cold sweat.
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Old 12-20-2021, 05:33 PM
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Southwest won’t buy/aquire/takeover Spirit. If they did this place would actually have decent wages so that CAN’T and won’t happen.

now a frontier merger? Oh yeah! Lowest paid ULCC conglomerate!!!
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