Attrition
11-18-2022, 01:09 AM
#2572
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 417
Yea, I hear you, it’s a good point. If management wants to give us AS +, great, but it doesn’t sound like they’re anywhere close to there yet. So it depends on how desperate they get, but we don’t have the luxury of holding out for 2-3 years assuming the merger is approved. If we hold out too long we get nothing until the JCBA is done. No reason we can’t get a solid increase now, and then hit a home run with the JCBA (that’s the NC’s focus)
11-18-2022, 03:26 AM
#2573
Bluediver the REAL deal
Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 372
Yea, I hear you, it’s a good point. If management wants to give us AS +, great, but it doesn’t sound like they’re anywhere close to there yet. So it depends on how desperate they get, but we don’t have the luxury of holding out for 2-3 years assuming the merger is approved. If we hold out too long we get nothing until the JCBA is done. No reason we can’t get a solid increase now, and then hit a home run with the JCBA (that’s the NC’s focus)
Ah the old “ We’ll get ‘em next time” routine. Don’t fall for it.
11-18-2022, 06:02 AM
#2575
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 393
FOCUSED BARGAINING
Why are we doing focused negotiations on limited important issues to the pilot group instead of a full Section 6 where we fix everything?
The short answer is time. We don’t have the two to three years that a comprehensive Section 6 would take before we need to negotiate a TPA and a JCBA. What we do have are multiple opportunities in the next two years to initiate bargaining for contract improvements. These focused negotiations are the first step of a multi-step process. At the conclusion of those efforts, having bargained a comprehensive JCBA or, should the merger fail regulatory approval, a comprehensive CBA as a stand-alone carrier, we aim to have in place a new agreement that will position us as a career destination carrier. These focused negotiations will pay our pilots while we negotiate the TPA and JCBA and provide a backstop in the event the merger isn’t approved that immediately puts us back at the negotiating table to bargain for comprehensive improvements.
11-18-2022, 06:53 AM
#2578
Line holder
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: On the bus,seat 0A
Posts: 3,330
Yea, I hear you, it’s a good point. If management wants to give us AS +, great, but it doesn’t sound like they’re anywhere close to there yet. So it depends on how desperate they get, but we don’t have the luxury of holding out for 2-3 years assuming the merger is approved. If we hold out too long we get nothing until the JCBA is done. No reason we can’t get a solid increase now, and then hit a home run with the JCBA (that’s the NC’s focus)
11-18-2022, 07:02 AM
#2579
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,112
I don’t think management realizes how bad their problem with attrition really is. A number of legacies are training constrained. They’ve given out CJOs that they won’t be able to onboard for 4-5 months. Guys/gals giving two weeks notice are simply the tip of the iceberg. Another 4 months attrition is already irreversible.
11-18-2022, 07:16 AM
#2580
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 2,335
I don’t think management realizes how bad their problem with attrition really is. A number of legacies are training constrained. They’ve given out CJOs that they won’t be able to onboard for 4-5 months. Guys/gals giving two weeks notice are simply the tip of the iceberg. Another 4 months attrition is already irreversible.
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