Attrition
11-16-2022, 05:12 AM
#2532
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Joined APC: Dec 2021
Posts: 73
Remains to be seen what happens in the near term but we absolutely have amazing leverage in a JCBA and a management group at JB that has publicly acknowledged that the contract will need to compete with the legacies.
Frontier will look similar to Allegiant in terms of compensation when this all shakes out. Indigo isn’t going to negotiate in any meaningful way ever.
Frontier will look similar to Allegiant in terms of compensation when this all shakes out. Indigo isn’t going to negotiate in any meaningful way ever.
How do you know we will have "amazing leverage" 1-2yrs from now?? This industry can change with a snap of a finger. None of us have any clue where this economy or world will even be like in 1-2yrs. We need to take the best we can get now. Im not voting yes for mediocre stuff with the intention that we will get a great JCBA. We are all one event away from the music stopping and the games they are playing in Ukraine right now isn't giving me a tingly feeling. Or once this economy stops the hiring will come to a stop and that so called "leverage" goes out the window. I think we all need to fight for the best NOW, not a band-aid in hopes of something great that may never happen 1-2yrs from now. Ive been in this industry long enough, even 6 months is an eternity.
11-16-2022, 07:26 AM
#2533
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: blueJet
Posts: 4,534
How do you know we will have "amazing leverage" 1-2yrs from now?? This industry can change with a snap of a finger. None of us have any clue where this economy or world will even be like in 1-2yrs. We need to take the best we can get now. Im not voting yes for mediocre stuff with the intention that we will get a great JCBA. We are all one event away from the music stopping and the games they are playing in Ukraine right now isn't giving me a tingly feeling. Or once this economy stops the hiring will come to a stop and that so called "leverage" goes out the window. I think we all need to fight for the best NOW, not a band-aid in hopes of something great that may never happen 1-2yrs from now. Ive been in this industry long enough, even 6 months is an eternity.
It is also true that a big raise now is better than waiting for the JCBA.
11-16-2022, 08:24 AM
#2534
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Joined APC: Nov 2019
Posts: 111
BREAKING:
Endeavor has substantially raised pilot pay.
Details: https://rb.gy/fi34qx
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Endeavor has substantially raised pilot pay.
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11-16-2022, 01:35 PM
#2536
Not On Reserve
Joined APC: Dec 2021
Posts: 24
I’m hoping it’s a negotiating tactic but sounds like the company came in with a lowball counter.
Question for anyone who knows, how is the economic proposal negotiated?
By hourly rate based on seat, years of service, etc….
or is it more along the lines of negotiating a certain number of XYZ million annually that the union can divide amongst the pilot group as they see fit?
11-16-2022, 01:40 PM
#2537
Line holder
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: On the bus,seat 0A
Posts: 3,330
Meanwhile, at SWA:
My pay expectations:
Current converted to hours:
12 yrs CA: $274.03
12 yrs FO: $191.81 (70% of CA)
05 yrs FO: $164.55 (86% of max FO)
01 yrs FO: $84.52 (44% of max FO)
In the year 2000, before all the CONCESSIONARY CONTRACTS, the going rate for a 737 classic Captain at max pay was around $226 per hour. Adjusted for inflation (Source BLS: CPI Index) is $399.
New Rates:
12 yrs CA: $399
12 yrs FO: $279.30
05 yrs FO: $240.20
01 yrs FO: $122.90
Now keep in mind, these rates are only reclaiming the concessions we gave up. This does NOT include a single pay raise or account for the fact that we are flying planes with 30-50 more seats. If we vote yes on anything less than this, we are still taking a massive paycut. Demand what you are worth!
My pay expectations:
Current converted to hours:
12 yrs CA: $274.03
12 yrs FO: $191.81 (70% of CA)
05 yrs FO: $164.55 (86% of max FO)
01 yrs FO: $84.52 (44% of max FO)
In the year 2000, before all the CONCESSIONARY CONTRACTS, the going rate for a 737 classic Captain at max pay was around $226 per hour. Adjusted for inflation (Source BLS: CPI Index) is $399.
New Rates:
12 yrs CA: $399
12 yrs FO: $279.30
05 yrs FO: $240.20
01 yrs FO: $122.90
Now keep in mind, these rates are only reclaiming the concessions we gave up. This does NOT include a single pay raise or account for the fact that we are flying planes with 30-50 more seats. If we vote yes on anything less than this, we are still taking a massive paycut. Demand what you are worth!
11-16-2022, 01:44 PM
#2539
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,096
Translation: Not even close on the economic proposal.
I’m hoping it’s a negotiating tactic but sounds like the company came in with a lowball counter.
Question for anyone who knows, how is the economic proposal negotiated?
By hourly rate based on seat, years of service, etc….
or is it more along the lines of negotiating a certain number of XYZ million annually that the union can divide amongst the pilot group as they see fit?
I’m hoping it’s a negotiating tactic but sounds like the company came in with a lowball counter.
Question for anyone who knows, how is the economic proposal negotiated?
By hourly rate based on seat, years of service, etc….
or is it more along the lines of negotiating a certain number of XYZ million annually that the union can divide amongst the pilot group as they see fit?
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