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11-12-2022, 09:10 PM
#2441
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2022
Posts: 107
Excargo never said ONLY first year pay needed fixing. Just said that NK training pay, no insurance, and NK first year pay was disgraceful. BUT WE DON’T HAVE A TRAINING BACKLOG BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN’T COMING HERE. All the claimed wonderful leverage this was supposed to give the pilots isn’t happening. How long does it have to not work before you will admit it WON’T work?
Management will reduce hiring requirements as much as they need to keep people coming in the door.
You can call me all the names you want but it won’t change reality.
Management will reduce hiring requirements as much as they need to keep people coming in the door.
You can call me all the names you want but it won’t change reality.
11-12-2022, 09:38 PM
#2442
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,252
As I said, the cause of the training backlog is NOT because people aren’t coming here.
Hint: That means they ARE coming here.
The pi$$-poor first year pay is NOT keeping them away. It has not provided us the leverage that some claimed it would provide us.
Hence the comment:
Sorry if the double negative confused you.
BUT WE DON’T HAVE A TRAINING BACKLOG BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN’T COMING HERE
The pi$$-poor first year pay is NOT keeping them away. It has not provided us the leverage that some claimed it would provide us.
Hence the comment:
How long does it have to not work before you will admit it WON’T work?
11-13-2022, 08:10 AM
#2443
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 394
Excargo never said ONLY first year pay needed fixing. Just said that NK training pay, no insurance, and NK first year pay was disgraceful. BUT WE DON’T HAVE A TRAINING BACKLOG BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN’T COMING HERE. All the claimed wonderful leverage this was supposed to give the pilots isn’t happening. How long does it have to not work before you will admit it WON’T work?
Management will reduce hiring requirements as much as they need to keep people coming in the door.
You can call me all the names you want but it won’t change reality.
Management will reduce hiring requirements as much as they need to keep people coming in the door.
You can call me all the names you want but it won’t change reality.
11-13-2022, 08:24 AM
#2445
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 2,370
11-13-2022, 08:52 AM
#2446
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,252
THIS^^^^
Management will lower standards to a wet ATP if they need to to keep classes full. And there will be plenty of junior regional FOs with low flight time that will come here just to gain a type and enough hours to move on. All screwing our newbies is doing is providing management cheap feed.
Management will lower standards to a wet ATP if they need to to keep classes full. And there will be plenty of junior regional FOs with low flight time that will come here just to gain a type and enough hours to move on. All screwing our newbies is doing is providing management cheap feed.
11-13-2022, 08:53 AM
#2447
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,252
Au contraire. A number of CA limited regionals are barely flying their most junior FOs - trying to get their senior ones CA eligible. They’ll go where they can get hours.
Last edited by Excargodog; 11-13-2022 at 09:08 AM.
11-13-2022, 09:07 AM
#2448
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,252
Are you are holding up F9 as an example of success? Or of failure? Their payscales (first year excepted) are what? One half percent above NK? How about the OTHER TEN airlines that pay considerably more than NK and DON’T treat their newbies like cr@p?
Did you forget about them?
All of them show that it ISN’T necessary to screw over newbies to get a good contract.
And I repeat:
How long will this have to not work before you are going to be convinced it’s not working?
Or is this some cult religious thing with you that you will never give up?
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