Popeye0537

Yeah, that LAX-MKE was a MONEY maker. Temporary cuts and the non money makers will be given to the likes of Breeze, Avelo.

BluNK

Apparently some people like yellow Kool-aid it seems like it’s hard for some to give up.


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CincoDeMayo

Now that’s some top level Chicken Little. You’ll never have the makings of a varsity athlete

Good job sir

Ed Force One

No, far from it. (In know this wasn't directed at me, but just putting in my $.02) But I'd like to have a job for another 17 years please. Not interested in starting over, no matter how green the grass.

As for the flight cuts, well you can prove anything with statistics, right? We may be cutting routes, some from Florida even, but are adding others. Would they really be involuntarily displacing half of their DTW, DFW and ORD pilots, all Legacy domiciles, btw, during times of record attrition, if there wasn't some sort of half baked plan? I don't know. Seems incredibly stupid and short sighted to me. As does everything going on here right now.

But I'm also of the thought that Spirit is just in it's death knell until we become part of JB or Frontier. One of those will happen.

Excargodog

Facts are facts whether they are the ones we wish or not. Regionals are starting to fail, despite substantial pay increases as their CAs are being hired away. The FOs are going to go somewhere, if only to get a new type and more 121 hours to become competitive - even with NKs first year pay.

But the under utilized inventory is still an overhead cost. When you are flying more than ever before with more aircraft than ever before yet still not making money, you can’t keep it up forever. Management can either do something to increase retention or start selling aircraft delivery slots and I don’t think JetBlue would put up with the latter.

I was inverted

I don’t think that’s entirely accurate, but please correct me if I’m wrong. “No less than 70.45%” applies only to FC to FC flying, and that only covers the combined ASMs of code-shared flying. There could be more flying on those routes by AA, just not codeshared. Basically that just allocates what minimum percentage of combined ASMs have to be on B6 metal. There is no similar percentage for international flying like I believe there was in the failed LOA13. If I’m not mistaken, in LOA13 it said 100% of FC to international could be on AA metal, and in exchange for that B6 got “at least” 65% of the codeshared Caribbean flights on B6 metal. I don’t see similar language in LOA17. The only restriction on intl is that both B6 departures and block hours must increase YoY FC to international.

The way the NEA is set up though, to try to show the DOJ B6 & AA compete, transatlantic on B6 metal cannot carry AA pax. But AA metal trans Atlantic can carry B6 pax…that way AA can connect B6 pax to far-away/broader places (ie one of the purposes of the NEA), but they still compete where B6 flies. Given that, why would jetblue ever buy widebodies if they can just stick their pax on AA’s widebodies and still pull revenue from those flights?

So, the protections are that B6 must continue to grow ASMs, departures, and block hours in the northeast YoY for FC to FC and intl, but 100% of codeshared Europe flying is basically on AA metal. None of the B6 trans Atlantic will be codeshared to my knowledge. This is one reason I hope the DOJ shoots this down. I’d rather see B6 take NK’s LGA slots, not divest them, and just compete independently against AA and everyone else. Or, at a minimum, see the revenue sharing piece go away, incentivizing jetblue to do more of its own flying.

In summary, not sure if this has anything to do with attrition per the thread topic, but hopefully the discussion sheds some light to the NK guys about what’s in store with the NEA if it affects any attrition decisions either way.

Halon1211

with inflation it’s now $.03

symbian simian

no it wasn’t:

It had both.

and the post you quoted:


only talked about the year, your post:

​​​​​​​suddenly only talks about the month. Fail.
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Justabusdriver1

I supposed you want a cookie because I didn’t specify the past month was 3x and the year over was only 2x. Growth is growth. im not misrepresenting specific data that actually means anything. Half the pilots “hired” didn’t leave. The pilots leaving weren’t all new hires a lot out in years of service before leaving.

FriendlyPilot

I wonder if there are concrete numbers on other airlines as far as how many pilots have to be hired and trained to stay on the property more than a couple years? Didn’t realize that 800+ were hired to keep 400 on the property. That’s staggering.