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Old 11-08-2022, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Lakeaffect
Makes sense from the situation you were coming from. I certainly don’t know all the details here, but it wouldn’t really be in NKs best interest to raise pay above whatever market rates are in the event that the merger doesn’t get approved.
If they don’t stop the attrition, Spirit may not survive to the merger. They’re taking on a ton of airplanes and can’t manage what they have. Their cash position is the lowest it’s been since covid. They still haven’t turned a profit. It’s going to get ugly.
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Old 11-08-2022, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
If they don’t stop the attrition, Spirit may not survive to the merger. They’re taking on a ton of airplanes and can’t manage what they have. Their cash position is the lowest it’s been since covid. They still haven’t turned a profit. It’s going to get ugly.
Yea, I here you. I edited my post that you responded too. That’s how I see it.
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Old 11-08-2022, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
If they don’t stop the attrition, Spirit may not survive to the merger. They’re taking on a ton of airplanes and can’t manage what they have. Their cash position is the lowest it’s been since covid. They still haven’t turned a profit. It’s going to get ugly.
This^^

Skywest just cancelled a bunch of E-175s because they don’t have the personnel to fly them because they can’t keep CAs long enough to upgrade the next generation of FOs. The problem won’t be getting people to come to NK(despite the pi$$-poor training and first year pay), there will be plenty of low time FOs stranded when their regional folds, it’ll be keeping them at NK after their first year. For the senior Regional FOs not tempted to be DECs, after consolidation.
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Old 11-09-2022, 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer
Granted, my exposure was with private companies. Don’t have any experience with publicly traded companies and mergers.

I just don’t think that NK can offer whatever can be agreed upon without it having some sort of bearing on the merger. No one knows the details so who knows how this will go. I sure as hell hope I’m wrong in every aspect because something needs to give to stem attrition and turn a profit.
People actually do know the details. It’s two publicly traded companies and nothing in the public documents to shareholders had any contingency with regard to labor talks or labor contracts. Our contract has absolutely zero affect on the merger closing or not. None, zero, zilch, nada.
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Old 11-09-2022, 06:27 AM
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Attrition for October

111 newhires
42 lost (40 FOs 2 CAs)

Year to Date
857 newhires
458 lost
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So half our pilot’s hired this year left, and we are still accepting new airplanes and Mgmt showed up to Negotiations last week without any meaningful proposal? Is that correct?
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
This^^

Skywest just cancelled a bunch of E-175s because they don’t have the personnel to fly them because they can’t keep CAs long enough to upgrade the next generation of FOs. The problem won’t be getting people to come to NK(despite the pi$$-poor training and first year pay), there will be plenty of low time FOs stranded when their regional folds, it’ll be keeping them at NK after their first year. For the senior Regional FOs not tempted to be DECs, after consolidation.
Correction:

That was Republic that cancelled a slew of new E-175s.

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Old 11-09-2022, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
So half our pilot’s hired this year left, and we are still accepting new airplanes and Mgmt showed up to Negotiations last week without any meaningful proposal? Is that correct?
It was ready but Bendo’s dog ate it. Management pinky promises to have it by Friday though. Management has the equivalent work ethic of a hungover community college student who forgot his term paper.
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Old 11-09-2022, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
So half our pilot’s hired this year left, and we are still accepting new airplanes and Mgmt showed up to Negotiations last week without any meaningful proposal? Is that correct?
Your statement isn’t exactly the full truth. Those that left were not all new hires. This is pretty significant growth on the fo side and they hired almost 3x the number of fos compared to those that left. A new hire fo does the same work a 4th year fo does at less than 1/2 the cost. Don’t think they are hurting for captains. Fos are easily replaced and it shows they are doing just that.
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Old 11-09-2022, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1
Your statement isn’t exactly the full truth. Those that left were not all new hires. This is pretty significant growth on the fo side and they hired almost 3x the number of fos compared to those that left. A new hire fo does the same work a 4th year fo does at less than 1/2 the cost. Don’t think they are hurting for captains. Fos are easily replaced and it shows they are doing just that.
But “easily replacing FOs” isn’t gonna cut it. It isn’t going to help accommodate all of the airplanes we are taking on and isn’t going to help increase utilization.
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