symbian simian

Yup. Did ACMI for 7 years, did my own planning, get MX done, keep things going: part of the job. Corporate for 8 years, pulled the lav, cleaned the cabin, loaded bags: part of the job. Now 121 for 10 years, make sure power and air are connected before I leave the cockpit. Cleaning the cabin: somebody else's problem.

Edit to add: Pretty sure there would be cleaners contracted in an NY minute if pilots could claim 30 minute cleaning pay.
(don't expect me to do someone else's job for free until I see our execs vacuum their office at 5pm on Friday)

Hugh Betcha

Is this written in your FOM or other similar document?

We have just been just been required by Operating Bulletin for one pilot to remain on board post international arrival in FLL to "protect our Guests" Capital G for Guests ( what the F ever happened to reality where a Passenger was a Passenger?), no push back from our LEC or MEC published, and just general acceptance from everyone I've flown with.

Slippery slope from the new mandate that we supervise deplaning to folding seat belts and looking for syringes when it's in writing and becomes an accepted operating practice over time.

IMO we have a great group of CP's and I haven't heard of an undeserved NOI in years, which could all change overnight without anyone asking my opinion on the changes.

symbian simian

It is because the way we get paid is stupid. We only get paid when we move. Never mind we work a lot harder during a turn than in cruise.
Regular pay should start at scheduled departure time -:30, and end at actual/scheduled arrival +:15 for every individual leg. Any requirement to do more, engine run, repo, jetway doesn't work but cargo door is opened, stay to run the APU in FLL/clean the back (WTF), aso should be extra.
Reason it won't happen: Company doesn't want it, and legacy senior WB don't want it.

gripngrab

Regarding remaining on board until the last pax deplanes for international. Flying into FLL recently with a plane change. Our inbound late and after getting off and walking down G to the GUA turn, it's finishing boarding. Only FAs onboard with tepid air from the external air unit.

Hey, it's OK if we need to board, you don't have to be here. But you need to be on board when you get back from GUA until the last pax deplanes.

Hugh Betcha

Agree with all of your observations. Jacob S actually put me on the team of folks to install the automated OOOI system on the -9's while beginning to lease out those fancy -80's (we used to call in the OOOI's to the station). Seeing the peril of being associated with such a pogram (spelled intentionally), I pulled the old teen age trick of "do your job so ineptly, no one asked you to participate in the chore any further", and went back to hiding in the training center.

We started off with being paid with main cabin door shut and monkeying with the parking brake, but Jacob must have gotten a call from Fang, recently parachuting (who visited Jacob prior to his selling to Indigo) from AA or from Steven Wolf (nice taste in sailboats) and it was quickly changed to wheel movement only with ALPA being impotent, with bigger fish to fry at the time.

Anyway, I was actually asking if a JB guy would answer.

Is the cabin cleanup documented as a requirement in your FOM? or is it just "we've always done it this way to be Team Players".

If there is one thing I've learned from my 88 year old MIL is that Judge Judy requires everything in writing, but from my observations, contract negotiations, NOI investigations, can use historic acceptance of unwritten duties as precedent.

RiddleEagle18

In the fom is specifically says we are NOT required to clean.(when on duty)


In the passrider blue book it says we are “expected” to clean. Whatever that means.

Like I said before. Don’t do it. They won’t do anything to you.

I watched one of our VP’s walk off an airplane last week. He ain’t cleaning and neither should you.


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Boomer

At JetBlue - I haven’t seen pilots clean cabins in years. I will clean a couple rows if I’m DHing and the crew took great care of me, but I’ll wait until everyone is off. I DO NOT clean in uniform in view of customers.

CincoDeMayo

Maybe I’m not indoctrinated into the Blue yet but why would you clean a “couple of rows” on a DH if the crew took care of you? Why does that matter? You’re DH’ing as a crew member to be in position for the company, they aren’t doing you a favor?

Cleaning a couple of rows on a DH is like a pilot who buys coffee for the FAs on every turn, they soon expect it from every pilot. And the company will continue to expect it if people are doing it.

I’m sorry, but short of you making the mess yourself, stop cleaning up any rows. It was said the company is not enforcing this policy for deadheads, but I guarantee they might if FAs start complaining that pilots DH’ing aren’t cleaning a couple rows like Boomer does.

I mean, WTF, cleaning the plane after deadheading?! No F way.

Cramelton

Yeah, I don’t see the point of helping with cleaning up the cabin. Might as well head down to the ramp and toss a few bags on the baggage cart too. And while you’re doing that, the FAs can hop in the cockpit and start getting the plane set up for the next flight by grabbing the ATIS and reviewing the flight paperwork. We all have our roles in this field and if one is unhappy with their role, they should pursue a different role.

SSlow

Right??? Might as well head outside and help throw bags as well.