Attrition
09-13-2022, 02:00 PM
#2041
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Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: Office Chair
Posts: 634
Something something doomed to repeat it.
Of course somewhere around half of our pilots were not here for this history and probably do not know the whole story about how the last round of negotiations truly were conducted by management. (Bad faith would be putting it mildly)
Of course somewhere around half of our pilots were not here for this history and probably do not know the whole story about how the last round of negotiations truly were conducted by management. (Bad faith would be putting it mildly)
09-13-2022, 03:23 PM
#2042
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Joined APC: May 2015
Posts: 466
And like I said he got out in 2012.
All I’m saying is we need to lose the “better than my regional” attitude and the beat down attitude of “well I spent 15 years at xyz and got beat down so I’m thankful for the scraps spirit gives me”.
Spirit wants you to think you should take less for some QOL myth. They want you to think if you got hired without a college degree that you wouldn’t have been hired at a legacy and should be happy to be here. They want you to think if you spent an eternity at a regional or some third rate cargo outfit that you should be thankful for whatever they want to offer and anything more would be greedy bc you know it could be worse.
This JCBA should and will be legacy+. We are not less than no matter what our backgrounds are and they need this contract!
All I’m saying is we need to lose the “better than my regional” attitude and the beat down attitude of “well I spent 15 years at xyz and got beat down so I’m thankful for the scraps spirit gives me”.
Spirit wants you to think you should take less for some QOL myth. They want you to think if you got hired without a college degree that you wouldn’t have been hired at a legacy and should be happy to be here. They want you to think if you spent an eternity at a regional or some third rate cargo outfit that you should be thankful for whatever they want to offer and anything more would be greedy bc you know it could be worse.
This JCBA should and will be legacy+. We are not less than no matter what our backgrounds are and they need this contract!
Your narrative is tired. Not one FO I’ve ever flown with has ever said anything along the lines of ‘oh I love it here so much I don’t wanna make more, because I came from less’
They are NOT mutually exclusive .you can really enjoy working here AND want/expect more. The fact is you came here making less than your are
today.. and then because you wanna fire people up, you throw shade at people for doing exactly what you did , and continue to do so by showing up for work everyday.
it really irks people like you that many of us like working here. And it is indeed much better than any of my previous jobs. And for many of us who experienced the 2000s this job has given us a QOL of pay we couldn’t dream while we clawing our way up. It’s about perspective.
Due to the macro Environment, attrition, and
upcoming merger. Spirit will pay more. Period. The union email even states the company has agreed to expedited negotiations. That says a lot.
But your narrative that we are malnourished indentured slaves is So dumb. This is a good job that needs too and will pay more. Fight for more or leave. Period. But its more than ok for
people to come here AND enjoy it …even if
That doesn’t make you happy
09-13-2022, 07:33 PM
#2043
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 393
And like I said he got out in 2012.
All I’m saying is we need to lose the “better than my regional” attitude and the beat down attitude of “well I spent 15 years at xyz and got beat down so I’m thankful for the scraps spirit gives me”.
Spirit wants you to think you should take less for some QOL myth. They want you to think if you got hired without a college degree that you wouldn’t have been hired at a legacy and should be happy to be here. They want you to think if you spent an eternity at a regional or some third rate cargo outfit that you should be thankful for whatever they want to offer and anything more would be greedy bc you know it could be worse.
This JCBA should and will be legacy+. We are not less than no matter what our backgrounds are and they need this contract!
All I’m saying is we need to lose the “better than my regional” attitude and the beat down attitude of “well I spent 15 years at xyz and got beat down so I’m thankful for the scraps spirit gives me”.
Spirit wants you to think you should take less for some QOL myth. They want you to think if you got hired without a college degree that you wouldn’t have been hired at a legacy and should be happy to be here. They want you to think if you spent an eternity at a regional or some third rate cargo outfit that you should be thankful for whatever they want to offer and anything more would be greedy bc you know it could be worse.
This JCBA should and will be legacy+. We are not less than no matter what our backgrounds are and they need this contract!
09-13-2022, 08:11 PM
#2044
New Hire
Joined APC: May 2015
Posts: 4
Did you not come and stay here because it was better than your last gig? If not then why DID you come?
Your narrative is tired. Not one FO I’ve ever flown with has ever said anything along the lines of ‘oh I love it here so much I don’t wanna make more, because I came from less’
They are NOT mutually exclusive .you can really enjoy working here AND want/expect more. The fact is you came here making less than your are
today.. and then because you wanna fire people up, you throw shade at people for doing exactly what you did , and continue to do so by showing up for work everyday.
it really irks people like you that many of us like working here. And it is indeed much better than any of my previous jobs. And for many of us who experienced the 2000s this job has given us a QOL of pay we couldn’t dream while we clawing our way up. It’s about perspective.
Due to the macro Environment, attrition, and
upcoming merger. Spirit will pay more. Period. The union email even states the company has agreed to expedited negotiations. That says a lot.
But your narrative that we are malnourished indentured slaves is So dumb. This is a good job that needs too and will pay more. Fight for more or leave. Period. But its more than ok for
people to come here AND enjoy it …even if
That doesn’t make you happy
Your narrative is tired. Not one FO I’ve ever flown with has ever said anything along the lines of ‘oh I love it here so much I don’t wanna make more, because I came from less’
They are NOT mutually exclusive .you can really enjoy working here AND want/expect more. The fact is you came here making less than your are
today.. and then because you wanna fire people up, you throw shade at people for doing exactly what you did , and continue to do so by showing up for work everyday.
it really irks people like you that many of us like working here. And it is indeed much better than any of my previous jobs. And for many of us who experienced the 2000s this job has given us a QOL of pay we couldn’t dream while we clawing our way up. It’s about perspective.
Due to the macro Environment, attrition, and
upcoming merger. Spirit will pay more. Period. The union email even states the company has agreed to expedited negotiations. That says a lot.
But your narrative that we are malnourished indentured slaves is So dumb. This is a good job that needs too and will pay more. Fight for more or leave. Period. But its more than ok for
people to come here AND enjoy it …even if
That doesn’t make you happy
09-14-2022, 05:29 AM
#2046
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Joined APC: Mar 2016
Posts: 612
There is no reason to go to a ULCC anymore… If management doesn’t throw money at us in a major hurry they’re going to gut this place from the inside out with no way to rebuild. The new regional pay scales should keep them up at night if they want to exist in the future.
09-14-2022, 05:32 AM
#2047
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Joined APC: Nov 2019
Posts: 111
There is no reason to go to a ULCC anymore… If management doesn’t throw money at us in a major hurry they’re going to gut this place from the inside out with no way to rebuild. The new regional pay scales should keep them up at night if they want to exist in the future.
When will the attrition reports start showing folks leaving for the regionals? Surely there are some year 1 folks considering it.
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09-14-2022, 05:49 AM
#2048
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Position: Student of the game
Posts: 1,026
09-14-2022, 05:51 AM
#2049
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Joined APC: Apr 2020
Posts: 342
First year folks may want to consider taking advantage of the language in some of their Regional contracts that allows them to come back and get their old sonority number back within one year of resignation as long as they left for a U.S. carrier that flys aircraft over XXX gross weight or xxx passengers and they left in good standing.
09-14-2022, 06:39 AM
#2050
Banned
Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 551
YTD total was almost exactly what I quoted
649 hired
296 quit + 54 training/other
299 net gain
We’ve basically sent a hundred pilots to each of the big 3 and a smattering to other companies per the breakdown.
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