Attrition
09-10-2022, 01:34 PM
#1981
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,918
I disagree with the second part. We don't work calendar days, we work TAFB. You can't really compare a 33 hour TAFB "3-day" (midnight redeye from LAS, 22 hours in CLE, early morning return, done at 9am, look al L4287), with a 10 legs, 16hr block& credit 58hr TAFB 3-day (L4191). The only thing calendar day does is move the redeyes to the middle of trips, and have more early starts and late finishes. As a commuter, no thanks.
Agree with the first, if you are talking redeye override. But I also think we should get 0:45 hours of pay per leg, and pay should start at scheduled or actual off blocks, whichever is earlier, and that will never happen.
Agree with the first, if you are talking redeye override. But I also think we should get 0:45 hours of pay per leg, and pay should start at scheduled or actual off blocks, whichever is earlier, and that will never happen.
At first those longer trips had the red-eye at the beginning or end, but lately the red-eye is in the middle, and they have added a turn or other flight at the beginning of end, 90-95% commutability destroyed as of recently.
09-10-2022, 01:43 PM
#1982
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,905
What you fear is exactly what has happened at B6. Got the 5 hours per day, suddenly all the 10-12 hour 3 days were gone. They weren't suddenly 15 hour 3-days with the same trip footprint, they were built into longer trips.
At first those longer trips had the red-eye at the beginning or end, but lately the red-eye is in the middle, and they have added a turn or other flight at the beginning of end, 90-95% commutability destroyed as of recently.
At first those longer trips had the red-eye at the beginning or end, but lately the red-eye is in the middle, and they have added a turn or other flight at the beginning of end, 90-95% commutability destroyed as of recently.
about how long you are TAFB. If they keep me in a hotel for 21 hours, I should be getting paid. Min day is great, but trip rigs/duty rigs is what forces the company to use of effectively, or they pay more.
At work, I’ll work, and then I want to go home
09-10-2022, 02:26 PM
#1983
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: Airplanes
Posts: 1,393
It’s why a trip rig/duty rig worth a crap is the goal. It’s all
about how long you are TAFB. If they keep me in a hotel for 21 hours, I should be getting paid. Min day is great, but trip rigs/duty rigs is what forces the company to use of effectively, or they pay more.
At work, I’ll work, and then I want to go home
about how long you are TAFB. If they keep me in a hotel for 21 hours, I should be getting paid. Min day is great, but trip rigs/duty rigs is what forces the company to use of effectively, or they pay more.
At work, I’ll work, and then I want to go home
09-10-2022, 03:03 PM
#1984
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,068
It’s why a trip rig/duty rig worth a crap is the goal. It’s all
about how long you are TAFB. If they keep me in a hotel for 21 hours, I should be getting paid. Min day is great, but trip rigs/duty rigs is what forces the company to use of effectively, or they pay more.
At work, I’ll work, and then I want to go home
about how long you are TAFB. If they keep me in a hotel for 21 hours, I should be getting paid. Min day is great, but trip rigs/duty rigs is what forces the company to use of effectively, or they pay more.
At work, I’ll work, and then I want to go home
09-10-2022, 06:51 PM
#1985
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2021
Posts: 86
And who died and made you the arbiter of things stupid and not stupid?.
With good QOL features, insurance, LTD and STD, and a 17% DC, I’d settle for $120 an hour with a 75 hr reserve guarantee for 1st year FOs, $220 an hour and a 75 hour guarantee for 1st year CAs, an overall increase of 8-6-6-6% DOS, and 5% per year per year increase for the first 12 years of longevity.
Doesn’t seem a bit stupid to me.
With good QOL features, insurance, LTD and STD, and a 17% DC, I’d settle for $120 an hour with a 75 hr reserve guarantee for 1st year FOs, $220 an hour and a 75 hour guarantee for 1st year CAs, an overall increase of 8-6-6-6% DOS, and 5% per year per year increase for the first 12 years of longevity.
Doesn’t seem a bit stupid to me.
09-10-2022, 07:27 PM
#1986
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,905
09-10-2022, 08:14 PM
#1988
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 1,035
I disagree with the second part. We don't work calendar days, we work TAFB. You can't really compare a 33 hour TAFB "3-day" (midnight redeye from LAS, 22 hours in CLE, early morning return, done at 9am, look al L4287), with a 10 legs, 16hr block& credit 58hr TAFB 3-day (L4191). The only thing calendar day does is move the redeyes to the middle of trips, and have more early starts and late finishes. As a commuter, no thanks.
Agree with the first, if you are talking redeye override. But I also think we should get 0:45 hours of pay per leg, and pay should start at scheduled or actual off blocks, whichever is earlier, and that will never happen.
Agree with the first, if you are talking redeye override. But I also think we should get 0:45 hours of pay per leg, and pay should start at scheduled or actual off blocks, whichever is earlier, and that will never happen.
09-10-2022, 08:21 PM
#1989
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,068
Because a steep slope gets you to the top quicker. Did you ever take math in middle school? Or was that optional. And who gives a rat’s rear what the CA year one rate is when WE DON’T HAVE ANY year one CAs and are damn unlikely to get any? Seriously, can you do the math well enough to even see what a year four CA would be under that formula? A six year CA? Obviously not.
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