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Old 09-02-2022, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator
Company is willing to offer jet blue rates right out of the gate. Not sure if they want anything in return.
Not doubting, but I have yet to have heard this. Source?
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Old 09-02-2022, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator
Company is willing to offer jet blue rates right out of the gate. Not sure if they want anything in return.
Source? This is the group that picks fights with labor for sport. Don’t forget the “jury duty”, slideshow of nuclear explosions, TRO and other fun games they played last time around. Yes the landscape is different but I don’t expect them to give us a single thing without trying to make us pay. I wouldn’t be surprised if this displacement is a ploy to try and mess with us. Isn’t the first time they tried that tactic.
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Old 09-02-2022, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Skypilotsv1984
Source? This is the group that picks fights with labor for sport. Don’t forget the “jury duty”, slideshow of nuclear explosions, TRO and other fun games they played last time around. Yes the landscape is different but I don’t expect them to give us a single thing without trying to make us pay. I wouldn’t be surprised if this displacement is a ploy to try and mess with us. Isn’t the first time they tried that tactic.
Agreed 100%. Plus, JBLU rates isn’t going to cut it! They have an attrition problem as well.. so obviously rates aren’t cutting it there. Yeah, I get the whole wide body chasers and what not.
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Old 09-02-2022, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator
Company is willing to offer jet blue rates right out of the gate. Not sure if they want anything in return.
Where did you hear this?
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Old 09-02-2022, 10:25 AM
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I for one think a snap up to current jetblue pay rates is the logical and obvious starting point. In my seat position that’s roughly 30k a year bump in the meanwhile. Then when the deal gets approved (if it does) then we are even steven with our new colleagues and then we can fight for more in a new JCBA that will be needed to consummate the deal. Attrition will slow if that happens. It’ll never stop with the big 3 hiring. That’s to be expected. But having both sides on the same scale going into the new JCBA negotiations seems logical to me ..

they mentioned when the deal was agreed upon that they negotiated better protections from B6 for current NK employees , what exactly did that entail .. they never said. Perhaps B6 agreed to pick up a portion of said pay raises in the interim as a condition to reaching an agreement . Who knows.
We will no doubt need to end up at legacy pay rates in the final Analysis. I can’t see us getting higher than that at the moment because we can’t negotiate with a company that doesn’t own us yet .. and we very well won’t get that from a current management that will likely get dissolved. Some QOL sweeteners, nice pay bumps and 16% DC is worthwhile place to hang out until the JCBA begins in earnest. Just my opinion.

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Old 09-02-2022, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator
Company is willing to offer jet blue rates right out of the gate. Not sure if they want anything in return.
This is entirely false information. Don't spread BS.
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Old 09-02-2022, 11:58 AM
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This is entirely false information. Don't spread BS.
then watch and see my friend.
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Old 09-02-2022, 12:02 PM
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Where did you hear this?

I told him…we had a flight together.
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Old 09-02-2022, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator
then watch and see my friend.
If anything was learned from the last contract cycle it's that we should be doing more of this and less talking about what may or may not be over the internet.

In other words, we should all just shut the eff up until a TA is inked.
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Old 09-02-2022, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy2002
I for one think a snap up to current jetblue pay rates is the logical and obvious starting point. In my seat position that’s roughly 30k a year bump in the meanwhile. Then when the deal gets approved (if it does) then we are even steven with our new colleagues and then we can fight for more in a new JCBA that will be needed to consummate the deal. Attrition will slow if that happens. It’ll never stop with the big 3 hiring. That’s to be expected. But having both sides on the same scale going into the new JCBA negotiations seems logical to me ..

they mentioned when the deal was agreed upon that they negotiated better protections from B6 for current NK employees , what exactly did that entail .. they never said. Perhaps B6 agreed to pick up a portion of said pay raises in the interim as a condition to reaching an agreement . Who knows.
We will no doubt need to end up at legacy pay rates in the final Analysis. I can’t see us getting higher than that at the moment because we can’t negotiate with a company that doesn’t own us yet .. and we very well won’t get that from a current management that will likely get dissolved. Some QOL sweeteners, nice pay bumps and 16% DC is worthwhile place to hang out until the JCBA begins in earnest. Just my opinion.
It’s more than that, you’ll get an extra three hours on reserve
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