Excargodog

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SlimBob

We are separate now. Until the deal improves we must negotiate assuming the deal will fail.

Excargodog

Why? What’s the hurt of a two year LOA? Please explain.

CincoDeMayo

Nonetheless, they will have to pick one lane.


1)Go for the tough negotiations that take longer and risk not getting a deal prior to JCBA and lose the ability to bring higher rates in for the JCBA. But they will be in a better spot if the JBLU deal fails and we didn’t settle for a quick deal

Or

2)Go for the quick shirt deal to get immediate gains while setting up for higher JCBA gains and raising the “floor” for that JCBA with what we currently have. But if the JBLU deal falls apart, you just lost the best negotiating environment in our careers.

Both have risks/rewards.

The only way you get a quick negotiation with huge gains is if Bendo and Ted say “screw it, we won’t have jobs with JBLU so the JCBA is no worry to us, give them a contract to make sure we have staffing the next few years and let Robin deal with it

sioux8ships

Which Ted and Bendo probably won’t do, since attrition isn’t something they admit is an issue. Ted says- they can leave if they want.

Such value as an employee here.

Ed Force One

They were able to get away with just about every "bad faith" technique in the book last go-around, including straight up no-showing negotiations. What makes you think they'll do one iota more this time? In their eyes, this contract doesn't even count.

Excargodog

Because in their eyes this contract doesn’t even count?

After all, they are FIGMO anyway.

SlimBob

1 all day long. 2 is the way we poo the bed. I'd go for a 6 month deal as a stop gap but no longer than that. Attrition will go exponential and leverage increases.

Excargodog

Leverage over whom? The current management is doing their own resumes. They can cut any deal now they want, just to avoid the nuisance factor. No skin off their noses if it gives the pilot group leverage against the JCBA. That wasn’t the deal they were looking to to begin with.
H€||, they might just give an industry leading contract to spite B6 management for screwing over their sweetheart deals with F9.

CincoDeMayo

There is a reason why it takes 60-90 days to get a shareholder vote on this JBlu deal; one of the items requiring vote will be the soon to be announced executive compensation plan, just as it was with Frontier. Teddy will still make out like a bandit and he will be highly compensated in this deal to smile and praise the deal, trying to sell it for DOJ approval.