Attrition
08-01-2022, 01:57 PM
#1641
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,920
Year Retirements
2022 4
2023 16
2024 3
2025 20
2026 24
2027 36
2028 25
2029 24
2030 32
2031 35
2032 32
2033 33
2034 27
2035 32
2036 25
2037 29
2038 24
2039 22
2040 22
2041 19
2042 25
(The sudden realization by JBlu pilots on how young this pilot group is when looking at the next 20 years of NK retirements)
2022 4
2023 16
2024 3
2025 20
2026 24
2027 36
2028 25
2029 24
2030 32
2031 35
2032 32
2033 33
2034 27
2035 32
2036 25
2037 29
2038 24
2039 22
2040 22
2041 19
2042 25
(The sudden realization by JBlu pilots on how young this pilot group is when looking at the next 20 years of NK retirements)
08-01-2022, 01:57 PM
#1642
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2019
Posts: 230
I take it with the news in the last week that Frontier is increasing the first year pilot pay to $90 an hour with a minimum $75 hour guarantee that Spirit will still NOT increase the first year pilot pay?
Lemme know if my logic checks here. From reading on here the reason I'm assuming that is the way the pay works with Spirit is that you cannot just adjust up the pay for the first year First Officers but for everyone. Also from reading on here with the merger the management is focused on other things. Finally, with the merger there could be a lot more pilots applying to Spirit, but I'm not sure if that is actually the case.
Lemme know if my logic checks here. From reading on here the reason I'm assuming that is the way the pay works with Spirit is that you cannot just adjust up the pay for the first year First Officers but for everyone. Also from reading on here with the merger the management is focused on other things. Finally, with the merger there could be a lot more pilots applying to Spirit, but I'm not sure if that is actually the case.
08-01-2022, 02:08 PM
#1643
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 2,370
I take it with the news in the last week that Frontier is increasing the first year pilot pay to $90 an hour with a minimum $75 hour guarantee that Spirit will still NOT increase the first year pilot pay?
Lemme know if my logic checks here. From reading on here the reason I'm assuming that is the way the pay works with Spirit is that you cannot just adjust up the pay for the first year First Officers but for everyone. Also from reading on here with the merger the management is focused on other things. Finally, with the merger there could be a lot more pilots applying to Spirit, but I'm not sure if that is actually the case.
Lemme know if my logic checks here. From reading on here the reason I'm assuming that is the way the pay works with Spirit is that you cannot just adjust up the pay for the first year First Officers but for everyone. Also from reading on here with the merger the management is focused on other things. Finally, with the merger there could be a lot more pilots applying to Spirit, but I'm not sure if that is actually the case.
08-01-2022, 02:11 PM
#1644
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,967
I take it with the news in the last week that Frontier is increasing the first year pilot pay to $90 an hour with a minimum $75 hour guarantee that Spirit will still NOT increase the first year pilot pay?
Lemme know if my logic checks here. From reading on here the reason I'm assuming that is the way the pay works with Spirit is that you cannot just adjust up the pay for the first year First Officers but for everyone. Also from reading on here with the merger the management is focused on other things. Finally, with the merger there could be a lot more pilots applying to Spirit, but I'm not sure if that is actually the case.
Lemme know if my logic checks here. From reading on here the reason I'm assuming that is the way the pay works with Spirit is that you cannot just adjust up the pay for the first year First Officers but for everyone. Also from reading on here with the merger the management is focused on other things. Finally, with the merger there could be a lot more pilots applying to Spirit, but I'm not sure if that is actually the case.
Whether management decides to increase rates via a LOA, TPA, or section 6 negotiations, is an unknown right now.
Have no idea if applications are up. I know they are going to Australia and snagged some swell Aussies who can’t wait to fly for Spirit. And that’s good for them because their visa only allows them to fly for Spirit. They can’t leave.
08-01-2022, 03:10 PM
#1646
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2019
Position: baller, shot caller
Posts: 1,028
I don't say that to scoff at JetBlue as I'm sure we'll get a great contract together, but with the legacies lowering the bar in terms of hiring this year I think most are still focused on the big 3.
If anything I would bet we start seeing less pilots applying here since the juniority of the FL bases are jeopardized now with the merger, and let's be honest that was a big reason for so many applying here.
08-01-2022, 03:16 PM
#1647
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,252
I don't think anyone has those numbers, but I would be surprised if it were anything more than a negligible amount. I mean it's not like we are being bought by United or anything.
I don't say that to scoff at JetBlue as I'm sure we'll get a great contract together, but with the legacies lowering the bar in terms of hiring this year I think most are still focused on the big 3.
If anything I would bet we start seeing less pilots applying here since the juniority of the FL bases are jeopardized now with the merger, and let's be honest that was a big reason for so many applying here.
I don't say that to scoff at JetBlue as I'm sure we'll get a great contract together, but with the legacies lowering the bar in terms of hiring this year I think most are still focused on the big 3.
If anything I would bet we start seeing less pilots applying here since the juniority of the FL bases are jeopardized now with the merger, and let's be honest that was a big reason for so many applying here.
08-01-2022, 03:21 PM
#1648
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2021
Posts: 47
Why are we fighting for any pay raise increase other than 12 yr scale? You're only going to be at year 1-11 for one year right? Year 1-11 should pay no more than $60/hr. I propose a pay decrease for all years under 11 and roll the savings to year 12
08-01-2022, 03:29 PM
#1649
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2019
Position: baller, shot caller
Posts: 1,028
It's kinda like COVID, they may become less prevalant but they'll never go away. The Jonathan Ornsteins of this world can promise us that much...
08-01-2022, 03:51 PM
#1650
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,252
Nah, the legacy carriers need regionals like Mesa to "do more with less" and in turn subsidize their profits. They won't just let them all go under like that.
It's kinda like COVID, they may become less prevalant but they'll never go away. The Jonathan Ornsteins of this world can promise us that much...
It's kinda like COVID, they may become less prevalant but they'll never go away. The Jonathan Ornsteins of this world can promise us that much...
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