Attrition
07-29-2022, 07:03 PM
#1611
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,908
You fixed nothing. First year doesn’t get a bump unless every year gets a bump. That’s the benefit of our contract vs Frontier, management can’t arbitrarily change first year to suit their needs at the neglect of the other pilots.
You have to bump them all!!
You have to bump them all!!
07-29-2022, 07:42 PM
#1612
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
I dont see what is stopping Ted and the SAVE BoD from giving an LOA outside of section 6 to match b6 payrates, or just saying “here’s a 3 year contract extension with a B6 payrate snap up clause” and calling negotiations a day. Not like he cares what happens at this point. And I doubt that’s against the covenants of the merger agreement.
07-29-2022, 07:51 PM
#1613
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 2,333
I dont see what is stopping Ted and the SAVE BoD from giving an LOA outside of section 6 to match b6 payrates, or just saying “here’s a 3 year contract extension with a B6 payrate snap up clause” and calling negotiations a day. Not like he cares what happens at this point. And I doubt that’s against the covenants of the merger agreement.
07-29-2022, 10:46 PM
#1616
Almost there
Joined APC: Apr 2021
Posts: 1,282
Not arguing one way or another just passing the words that were told to me. “We left first year pay up to the company. It’s their recruitment tool to do with as they please.” But I wasn’t there so…
07-30-2022, 06:47 AM
#1617
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,908
You are correct. But they can only get very close to second year pay and are not allowed to exceed it. They are starting to run outta room there pretty quick in which case everybody will have to get a raise. Once the pay goes up it can’t go down.
Not arguing one way or another just passing the words that were told to me. “We left first year pay up to the company. It’s their recruitment tool to do with as they please.” But I wasn’t there so…
Not arguing one way or another just passing the words that were told to me. “We left first year pay up to the company. It’s their recruitment tool to do with as they please.” But I wasn’t there so…
Screw any scenario which the company can attract more people without addressing the entire shortfalls of the pay structure.
07-30-2022, 01:43 PM
#1618
Banned
Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 551
As a Spirit pilot, the only leverage we have is first year pay can’t be moved short of us agreeing to move it, which won’t happen unless it’s a raise for everyone. Allowing the company to slide first year pay just under second year pay is a loser for the pilots on the seniority list. Because guess what, after you get hired and start second year pay, you get a buck raise and still will leave for a legacy. I know you didn’t write the policy, but it’s a win for the company.
Screw any scenario which the company can attract more people without addressing the entire shortfalls of the pay structure.
Screw any scenario which the company can attract more people without addressing the entire shortfalls of the pay structure.
But as I have said before, I would be very open to an LOA that puts new hires at 72 guarantee during training and health insurance, not as a stop gap for attrition but because it’s the right thing to do.
07-30-2022, 01:58 PM
#1619
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2022
Posts: 155
yup. I already "paid my dues" but I dont wish it upon anybody else. Our training pay is criminal.
07-30-2022, 02:13 PM
#1620
Line holder
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: On the bus,seat 0A
Posts: 3,330
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