Attrition
06-16-2022, 02:59 PM
#1451
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,966
Question is the CA side, so you get your initial dump of CAs wanting ATL the first month with voluntary vacancy movement to ATL. And then what? They stated they have too many CAs in those 3 bases, its not like 100 CAs are going to quit in ORD or go to ATL to solve their overstaffing CA issue, same with DFW and DTW. It seems this slower staffing idea will benefit pilots in the "displacement" bases, but I dont believe them for a second that it wont cause involuntary displacements on the CA side down the road. Because soon they open IAH and hope what, that CAs in DFW now say "I want to commute to IAH?" outside of the 5 or so that live down there?
Again, I like this way much better, but it wont prevent involuntary displacements, maybe just lessen them on the CA side....hopefully.
06-16-2022, 03:46 PM
#1453
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,464
I think their "hope" is to grow the ATL base with voluntary vacancies, like the MCO base when it opened, and then all FOs that leave, will be backfilled by new hires going to ATL first and then the FLL/MCO market next. It makes sense, if we are losing 40 FOs a month, better to just make ATL the new dumping ground for new hires instead of displacing out of bases like DFW, DTW and ORD and then having FOs leave those bases for new jobs.
Question is the CA side, so you get your initial dump of CAs wanting ATL the first month with voluntary vacancy movement to ATL. And then what? They stated they have too many CAs in those 3 bases, its not like 100 CAs are going to quit in ORD or go to ATL to solve their overstaffing CA issue, same with DFW and DTW. It seems this slower staffing idea will benefit pilots in the "displacement" bases, but I dont believe them for a second that it wont cause involuntary displacements on the CA side down the road. Because soon they open IAH and hope what, that CAs in DFW now say "I want to commute to IAH?" outside of the 5 or so that live down there?
Again, I like this way much better, but it wont prevent involuntary displacements, maybe just lessen them on the CA side....hopefully.
Question is the CA side, so you get your initial dump of CAs wanting ATL the first month with voluntary vacancy movement to ATL. And then what? They stated they have too many CAs in those 3 bases, its not like 100 CAs are going to quit in ORD or go to ATL to solve their overstaffing CA issue, same with DFW and DTW. It seems this slower staffing idea will benefit pilots in the "displacement" bases, but I dont believe them for a second that it wont cause involuntary displacements on the CA side down the road. Because soon they open IAH and hope what, that CAs in DFW now say "I want to commute to IAH?" outside of the 5 or so that live down there?
Again, I like this way much better, but it wont prevent involuntary displacements, maybe just lessen them on the CA side....hopefully.
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06-16-2022, 03:47 PM
#1454
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: Da Bus, Left
Posts: 1,567
06-16-2022, 04:03 PM
#1455
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,966
“Should Spirit determine they are unable to comply with the terms of our CBA, we expect that they will seek a negotiated solution that will need to be ratified by the entire membership.
Unfortunately, there is no way to avoid the displacements. We cannot simply tell them “no” or refuse to participate. This is their business to run, and they have determined that for the enterprise to succeed, they need to add crew bases and “right size” others. What we can and will do is ensure that your rights under the contract are protected.”
So strap in for the “we are going to present for a vote a compromise with management to reduce the number of involuntary displacements by agreeing to…”
They essentially told us the company is going to do what they want and they will seek a “negotiated solution”.
Depending on the terms, if it prevents mass forced displacements while providing for compensation for the pilots, the MEC has to at least listen to it.
06-16-2022, 04:09 PM
#1456
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,464
Part of the email the MEC sent last month
“Should Spirit determine they are unable to comply with the terms of our CBA, we expect that they will seek a negotiated solution that will need to be ratified by the entire membership.
Unfortunately, there is no way to avoid the displacements. We cannot simply tell them “no” or refuse to participate. This is their business to run, and they have determined that for the enterprise to succeed, they need to add crew bases and “right size” others. What we can and will do is ensure that your rights under the contract are protected.”
So strap in for the “we are going to present for a vote a compromise with management to reduce the number of involuntary displacements by agreeing to…”
They essentially told us the company is going to do what they want and they will seek a “negotiated solution”.
Depending on the terms, if it prevents mass forced displacements while providing for compensation for the pilots, the MEC has to at least listen to it.
“Should Spirit determine they are unable to comply with the terms of our CBA, we expect that they will seek a negotiated solution that will need to be ratified by the entire membership.
Unfortunately, there is no way to avoid the displacements. We cannot simply tell them “no” or refuse to participate. This is their business to run, and they have determined that for the enterprise to succeed, they need to add crew bases and “right size” others. What we can and will do is ensure that your rights under the contract are protected.”
So strap in for the “we are going to present for a vote a compromise with management to reduce the number of involuntary displacements by agreeing to…”
They essentially told us the company is going to do what they want and they will seek a “negotiated solution”.
Depending on the terms, if it prevents mass forced displacements while providing for compensation for the pilots, the MEC has to at least listen to it.
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06-16-2022, 04:58 PM
#1458
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Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: Office Chair
Posts: 640
Part of the email the MEC sent last month
“Should Spirit determine they are unable to comply with the terms of our CBA, we expect that they will seek a negotiated solution that will need to be ratified by the entire membership.
Unfortunately, there is no way to avoid the displacements. We cannot simply tell them “no” or refuse to participate. This is their business to run, and they have determined that for the enterprise to succeed, they need to add crew bases and “right size” others. What we can and will do is ensure that your rights under the contract are protected.”
So strap in for the “we are going to present for a vote a compromise with management to reduce the number of involuntary displacements by agreeing to…”
They essentially told us the company is going to do what they want and they will seek a “negotiated solution”.
Depending on the terms, if it prevents mass forced displacements while providing for compensation for the pilots, the MEC has to at least listen to it.
“Should Spirit determine they are unable to comply with the terms of our CBA, we expect that they will seek a negotiated solution that will need to be ratified by the entire membership.
Unfortunately, there is no way to avoid the displacements. We cannot simply tell them “no” or refuse to participate. This is their business to run, and they have determined that for the enterprise to succeed, they need to add crew bases and “right size” others. What we can and will do is ensure that your rights under the contract are protected.”
So strap in for the “we are going to present for a vote a compromise with management to reduce the number of involuntary displacements by agreeing to…”
They essentially told us the company is going to do what they want and they will seek a “negotiated solution”.
Depending on the terms, if it prevents mass forced displacements while providing for compensation for the pilots, the MEC has to at least listen to it.
06-16-2022, 06:12 PM
#1460
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 2,370
Part of the email the MEC sent last month
“Should Spirit determine they are unable to comply with the terms of our CBA, we expect that they will seek a negotiated solution that will need to be ratified by the entire membership.
Unfortunately, there is no way to avoid the displacements. We cannot simply tell them “no” or refuse to participate. This is their business to run, and they have determined that for the enterprise to succeed, they need to add crew bases and “right size” others. What we can and will do is ensure that your rights under the contract are protected.”
So strap in for the “we are going to present for a vote a compromise with management to reduce the number of involuntary displacements by agreeing to…”
They essentially told us the company is going to do what they want and they will seek a “negotiated solution”.
Depending on the terms, if it prevents mass forced displacements while providing for compensation for the pilots, the MEC has to at least listen to it.
“Should Spirit determine they are unable to comply with the terms of our CBA, we expect that they will seek a negotiated solution that will need to be ratified by the entire membership.
Unfortunately, there is no way to avoid the displacements. We cannot simply tell them “no” or refuse to participate. This is their business to run, and they have determined that for the enterprise to succeed, they need to add crew bases and “right size” others. What we can and will do is ensure that your rights under the contract are protected.”
So strap in for the “we are going to present for a vote a compromise with management to reduce the number of involuntary displacements by agreeing to…”
They essentially told us the company is going to do what they want and they will seek a “negotiated solution”.
Depending on the terms, if it prevents mass forced displacements while providing for compensation for the pilots, the MEC has to at least listen to it.
We’re #lanyardstrong though. I’d take beards for a displacement.
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