Attrition
06-14-2022, 02:03 PM
#1371
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Those people clearly aren't good at math beyond shiny new pay scale for the next two years. I'm still leaving. I crunched the numbers, and by 2030 (granted nothing is *ever* guaranteed....) ULCC comes out ahead by several hundred thousand dollars. I don't want to slog back and forth flying 25 minuted flights for 5+ years, just to flow and then commute to reserve in JFK on a 73 and wait another 15 to upgrade... Maybe a 23yo FO at the WOs will go for it, but the math just doesn't add up. Regional flying is also about to get swallowed up by mainline due to attrition, and it sure is tough to get to 1000PIC if your 4-day credits 8 hours.
Of course there will be people who want to stay, but a short term raise won't keep people at regionals who are thinking beyond their next paycheck. Those are the kinds of people I hope to fly with at NK. (or FronSpir/JetSpir...)
Of course there will be people who want to stay, but a short term raise won't keep people at regionals who are thinking beyond their next paycheck. Those are the kinds of people I hope to fly with at NK. (or FronSpir/JetSpir...)
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06-14-2022, 02:09 PM
#1372
Perennial Reserve
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I know the baseline I’d like to start negotiations with and it sure ain’t F9’s.
06-14-2022, 02:13 PM
#1373
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But don't expect negotiations to be easy or that they'll just say "well, how about delta rates guys?"
Because that won't happen, at least not like that.
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06-14-2022, 02:20 PM
#1374
Perennial Reserve
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No management can afford to roll over and play dead, but some are definitely more realistic than others.
06-14-2022, 03:11 PM
#1376
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
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And nowhere as simple as “we want more money and Spirits Red green, drop to zero and other nuggets not found in section 3
06-14-2022, 03:52 PM
#1377
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Youve repeated this talking point about a million times, but it’s actually untrue. JB and NK have far more overlap than F9 and NK.
Would love to see your source for this talking point that you’ve been clinging to.
Here’s an article that says otherwise, albeit not the best source, but everything i’ve seen indicates the opposite of what you’ve been saying
“JetBlue is based in Queens, New York, and has an East Coast focus, with New York, Boston, Orlando and Fort Lauderdale being the airline’s most served destinations. Its routes have far more overlap with Spirit”
https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article260165705.html
Would love to see your source for this talking point that you’ve been clinging to.
Here’s an article that says otherwise, albeit not the best source, but everything i’ve seen indicates the opposite of what you’ve been saying
“JetBlue is based in Queens, New York, and has an East Coast focus, with New York, Boston, Orlando and Fort Lauderdale being the airline’s most served destinations. Its routes have far more overlap with Spirit”
https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article260165705.html
06-14-2022, 04:09 PM
#1378
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Joined APC: May 2015
Posts: 469
[QUOTE=groundlooper;3440967]Youve repeated this talking point about a million times, but it’s actually untrue. JB and NK have far more overlap than F9 and NK.
Would love to see your source for this talking point that you’ve been clinging to.
Here’s an article that says otherwise, albeit not the best source, but everything i’ve seen indicates the opposite of what you’ve been saying
“JetBlue is based in Queens, New York, and has an East Coast focus, with New York, Boston, Orlando and Fort Lauderdale being the airline’s most served destinations. Its routes have far more overlap with Spirit”
https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/bus...tml[/QUOTE]
he’s using Robin Hayes propaganda. The JetBlue presentation that Cherry picked some stats. We overlap with With F9 on some cities but not the same days but That counts as ‘overlap.’
anyone knows you look at the departure board in FLL/MCO/SJU/LGA/BDL/BOS it’s yellow and blue on the same routes.
He keeps spitting the same 2 lines. Rinse and repeat
Would love to see your source for this talking point that you’ve been clinging to.
Here’s an article that says otherwise, albeit not the best source, but everything i’ve seen indicates the opposite of what you’ve been saying
“JetBlue is based in Queens, New York, and has an East Coast focus, with New York, Boston, Orlando and Fort Lauderdale being the airline’s most served destinations. Its routes have far more overlap with Spirit”
https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/bus...tml[/QUOTE]
he’s using Robin Hayes propaganda. The JetBlue presentation that Cherry picked some stats. We overlap with With F9 on some cities but not the same days but That counts as ‘overlap.’
anyone knows you look at the departure board in FLL/MCO/SJU/LGA/BDL/BOS it’s yellow and blue on the same routes.
He keeps spitting the same 2 lines. Rinse and repeat
06-14-2022, 04:47 PM
#1379
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 2,370
[QUOTE=FlyGuy2002;3440977]
It’s almost as if two competitors sometimes compete on the same route. Mind blowing.
Youve repeated this talking point about a million times, but it’s actually untrue. JB and NK have far more overlap than F9 and NK.
Would love to see your source for this talking point that you’ve been clinging to.
Here’s an article that says otherwise, albeit not the best source, but everything i’ve seen indicates the opposite of what you’ve been saying
“JetBlue is based in Queens, New York, and has an East Coast focus, with New York, Boston, Orlando and Fort Lauderdale being the airline’s most served destinations. Its routes have far more overlap with Spirit”
https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/bus...tml[/QUOTE]
he’s using Robin Hayes propaganda. The JetBlue presentation that Cherry picked some stats. We overlap with With F9 on some cities but not the same days but That counts as ‘overlap.’
anyone knows you look at the departure board in FLL/MCO/SJU/LGA/BDL/BOS it’s yellow and blue on the same routes.
He keeps spitting the same 2 lines. Rinse and repeat
Would love to see your source for this talking point that you’ve been clinging to.
Here’s an article that says otherwise, albeit not the best source, but everything i’ve seen indicates the opposite of what you’ve been saying
“JetBlue is based in Queens, New York, and has an East Coast focus, with New York, Boston, Orlando and Fort Lauderdale being the airline’s most served destinations. Its routes have far more overlap with Spirit”
https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/bus...tml[/QUOTE]
he’s using Robin Hayes propaganda. The JetBlue presentation that Cherry picked some stats. We overlap with With F9 on some cities but not the same days but That counts as ‘overlap.’
anyone knows you look at the departure board in FLL/MCO/SJU/LGA/BDL/BOS it’s yellow and blue on the same routes.
He keeps spitting the same 2 lines. Rinse and repeat
It’s almost as if two competitors sometimes compete on the same route. Mind blowing.
06-14-2022, 05:43 PM
#1380
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Joined APC: Dec 2020
Posts: 122
[QUOTE=JulesWinfield;3440992]
Can't drone on and on about F9/NK overlap as justification for why JB merger is better when in reality the JB/NK overlap is significantly greater. All I'm saying.
Great contribution to the discussion though, keep it up champ.
Great contribution to the discussion though, keep it up champ.
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