JulesWinfield

You can do min calendar day with duty rigs. Regionals do it. You can also do red eye overrides , which JetBlue does, and you can do leg by leg block or better, instead of our stupid trip average. Our contract is full of Swiss cheese.

DEM1933

The duty rig is not “fairy dust” it’s math plain and simple, and was it not industry standard when we voted in 2018?
I have no idea if the bar for duty rig has risen since then.

BeatNavy

Duty rigs are a small part of it. You out the constraints on optimizers with rigs and other work rules. Setting parameters (from a contractual work rules agreement) with trip, duty, daily (avg or min day) rigs, plus things like commutability, redeye restrictions, overnight length, is what the pilots do. At jetblue, B6ALPA proudly advertised that they had negotiated industry leading pairing construction rules. Many people voted in the CBA accordingly. Right after the CBA, the company took the pairing builds away from a scheduling project pilot and gave them to crew planning, who then put them in the sodomizer and built them to contractual mins. B6ALPA response: we never thought they’d actually do that. It was somewhat self correcting as they were impossible with no slack, not enough rest with any sort of delays, etc., but the point is you have to negotiate the parameters and expect the company to optimize/sodomize the pairing builds to the worst possible within whatever your work rules/rigs allow to make labor costs the most efficient/cheapest they can.

elmetal

Duty rig never really triggers until a 4 day and even then it only triggers in an early/mid day show to late release. A 4pm show 11am release 4 day will almost never have a duty rig pay. It'll generally be 20 hours. Unless there's 3 duty periods, then it'll be some 16, 17, 18 hours duty rig. Which is is still not acceptable

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CincoDeMayo

And I look forward to seeing 1500+ Spirit pilots at picketing events to make sure we get this. The company isn’t going to “give” it to us. How bad do we want it? How bad do you want it?

JulesWinfield

Most will just leave to another carrier. I am probably here for the long haul, so I will see you there. When is the next picketing event?

CincoDeMayo

Nothing scheduled..yet. But when we merge with Frontier and we are all negotiating a JCBA with Franke, we will need all hands on deck. I know Frontier will show, hope we can do the same.

Ratm0820

I’ve heard southwest has a bunch of different overrides that ends up making them good money.

Bluedriver

​​​​​​Delta has 3 MONTH upgrades in the 737.

elmetal

Hey now, the last AE the most Jr was a 2021 guy. That's at LEAST 5 months...



(I know the 3 month thing did happen in the previous AE, i was just making a light hearted joke)

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