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05-24-2022, 03:49 PM
#1172
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05-24-2022, 04:59 PM
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05-24-2022, 10:31 PM
#1176
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They take maximum advantage of whatever we negotiate for. Fact. This is why we need stronger language in whatever we vote on next and not just rely on some magic duty rig fairy dust.
05-25-2022, 01:12 AM
#1177
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Seriously? Someone had to program the system. 23:59 hour overnights are *not* a coincidence, nor are they rare.
They take maximum advantage of whatever we negotiate for. Fact. This is why we need stronger language in whatever we vote on next and not just rely on some magic duty rig fairy dust.
They take maximum advantage of whatever we negotiate for. Fact. This is why we need stronger language in whatever we vote on next and not just rely on some magic duty rig fairy dust.
05-25-2022, 02:18 AM
#1178
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Seriously? Someone had to program the system. 23:59 hour overnights are *not* a coincidence, nor are they rare.
They take maximum advantage of whatever we negotiate for. Fact. This is why we need stronger language in whatever we vote on next and not just rely on some magic duty rig fairy dust.
They take maximum advantage of whatever we negotiate for. Fact. This is why we need stronger language in whatever we vote on next and not just rely on some magic duty rig fairy dust.
Of course they're not a coincidence. The optimizer knows what costs are and avoids them. It's not the company out to get us, it's the software doing its job.
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05-25-2022, 02:44 AM
#1179
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Feel free to dart the scheduling committee, who also builds pairings, and ask them how it works.
Of course they're not a coincidence. The optimizer knows what costs are and avoids them. It's not the company out to get us, it's the software doing its job.
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Of course they're not a coincidence. The optimizer knows what costs are and avoids them. It's not the company out to get us, it's the software doing its job.
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Min day is great but don’t be ****ed when it optimizes you to a 5am show day 1 and a 23:59 duty off on day 3 for 15 hours for 3 days pay, vs close to 20 with duty rigs.
Keep increasing duty rigs is the equalizer to the optimizer
05-25-2022, 02:51 AM
#1180
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Why do people assume the company doesn’t try and maximize the contract to their advantage just as pilots do? And what changes do they suggest to work around the optimizer? Set the overnight to 22 hours for an extra day, and you’ll see 21:59 overnights. Trigger min day pay at midnight, you’ll see trips end at 23:59. People can crap on trip rigs but it’s the one constant to help counter an optimizer
Min day is great but don’t be ****ed when it optimizes you to a 5am show day 1 and a 23:59 duty off on day 3 for 15 hours for 3 days pay, vs close to 20 with duty rigs.
Keep increasing duty rigs is the equalizer to the optimizer
Min day is great but don’t be ****ed when it optimizes you to a 5am show day 1 and a 23:59 duty off on day 3 for 15 hours for 3 days pay, vs close to 20 with duty rigs.
Keep increasing duty rigs is the equalizer to the optimizer
They feed flights into the optimizer (the one we use is kind of garbage, if it's not clear) and a bunch of rules and different weights on things. Like for example, avoid aircraft swaps in ATL for a value of XYZ. Etc etc.
The optimizer also knows crew costs (contract) so it knows rigs, soft time, etc.
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