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Old 05-11-2022, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
They cut the schedule and will likely continue the cuts.
Parking the 319’s is the word on the street.
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Old 05-11-2022, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by elmetal
I'm not entirely sure why anyone thinks attrition is a leverage tool for spirit pilots. If anything it's a leverage tool for spirit management. With training pay where it is and first year pay what it is, they couldn't be happier for people leaving. The more senior the better

The legacies pay 90+ an hour from day one, we pay 50whatever from day 91-365

If we were to absorb training pay into first year pay our actual rate is more like 46 dollars an hour. It's an embarrassment. Management HOPES people leave. Honestly.
How many news jets is Spirit getting over the next 48 months? Management may not care about pilots, but they all care about money.
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Old 05-12-2022, 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
How many news jets is Spirit getting over the next 48 months? Management may not care about pilots, but they all care about money.
I think you mean how many are they SCHEDULED to get over the next 48 months. Deferrals likely for every airline who can't control attrition.
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Old 05-12-2022, 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
I think you mean how many are they SCHEDULED to get over the next 48 months. Deferrals likely for every airline who can't control attrition.
What's the lead time to defer a firm order? (I don't know the answer)
https://financialpost.com/pmn/busine...19-saps-demand
https://simpleflying.com/easyjet-def...airbus-orders/
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Old 05-12-2022, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
How many news jets is Spirit getting over the next 48 months? Management may not care about pilots, but they all care about money.
I’m not sure they do. Management has SOLD THE PLACE. They got theirs, out of the 1/2% of the equity they own and the golden parachutes they built into the deal for themselves. Right now they are busy buffing and polishing their own résumés and doing their own interviewing. Tha survival (or not) of NK at this point may not matter to them.

The only ones with a huge vested interest in NK right now are the senior pilots and the big stock owners. And hopefully nobody is both because that is a potential single point of failure.
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Old 05-12-2022, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
I’m not sure they do. Management has SOLD THE PLACE. They got theirs, out of the 1/2% of the equity they own and the golden parachutes they built into the deal for themselves. Right now they are busy buffing and polishing their own résumés and doing their own interviewing. Tha survival (or not) of NK at this point may not matter to them.

The only ones with a huge vested interest in NK right now are the senior pilots and the big stock owners. And hopefully nobody is both because that is a potential single point of failure.
Oh they’re trying to give themselves raises via the next vote.
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Old 05-12-2022, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by FNGFO
Oh they’re trying to give themselves raises via the next vote.
I would count on that. Management has leverage with the Frontier deal to keep things running while Franke decides who stays and who goes. Management did this before about 5 years ago, if I recall, increasing their compensation package if they were to be displaced (irony intended) from their positions. No doubt they will do the same here now, citing the instability of not knowing they will have positions when the merger is done. Maybe why we all got an email today acknowledging some people getting bumps to VP level.
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Old 05-23-2022, 06:34 PM
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Captain here and know a captain leaving. Came to NK for QOL and that seems to be eroding in more than a few ways, lately. We all have examples. But, these new pairings seem “greedy” even by NK standards. I’m bringing this up, here, because I’ve not heard much chatter since the last bid result. It’s becoming much more difficult for me to ignore the overall direction of the company. Never expected to say that. Morale seems low and I think we could use some good news from someone, somewhere. It’s become a real sh*tshow.
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Old 05-23-2022, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SpiritWTF
Captain here and know a captain leaving. Came to NK for QOL and that seems to be eroding in more than a few ways, lately. We all have examples. But, these new pairings seem “greedy” even by NK standards. I’m bringing this up, here, because I’ve not heard much chatter since the last bid result. It’s becoming much more difficult for me to ignore the overall direction of the company. Never expected to say that. Morale seems low and I think we could use some good news from someone, somewhere. It’s become a real sh*tshow.
could you please explain how your QOL has been eroding away?

and what is a “greedy” pairing? Are they forcing you to fly and not get paid? I’m on the edge of my seat to hear what a greedy pairing is.
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Old 05-23-2022, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SpiritWTF
Captain here and know a captain leaving. Came to NK for QOL and that seems to be eroding in more than a few ways, lately. We all have examples. But, these new pairings seem “greedy” even by NK standards. I’m bringing this up, here, because I’ve not heard much chatter since the last bid result. It’s becoming much more difficult for me to ignore the overall direction of the company. Never expected to say that. Morale seems low and I think we could use some good news from someone, somewhere. It’s become a real sh*tshow.
Nice first post. Morale seems pretty normal to me.
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