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05-05-2021, 02:02 PM
#41
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I think your point held water a decade ago, but not anymore.
05-05-2021, 02:22 PM
#42
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Look, PHX has a large military presence, a university of some size, a load of tech storage facilities and your basic urban populace. They have baseline travel needs. We have baseline service there. We are a leisure, low cost airline. Leisure travel to PHX is highly seasonal, and the folks who can afford the nice winter weather there have means. We don’t cater to the golf in Scottsdale crowd. I would expect our service there to remain seasonal at best.
In many ways it’s PSP writ large.
05-05-2021, 02:24 PM
#43
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And that might carry some weight if we had 50-80 surgeons hopping our 321’s to PHX. We almost always have medical personnel on our flights or seem to, but 3 out of 228 is not a trend line to build your business model around.
05-05-2021, 03:43 PM
#44
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Semi affluent retirement crowd. That sounds exactly like BA and Hawaiian.
Look, PHX has a large military presence, a university of some size, a load of tech storage facilities and your basic urban populace. They have baseline travel needs. We have baseline service there. We are a leisure, low cost airline. Leisure travel to PHX is highly seasonal, and the folks who can afford the nice winter weather there have means. We don’t cater to the golf in Scottsdale crowd. I would expect our service there to remain seasonal at best.
In many ways it’s PSP writ large.
Look, PHX has a large military presence, a university of some size, a load of tech storage facilities and your basic urban populace. They have baseline travel needs. We have baseline service there. We are a leisure, low cost airline. Leisure travel to PHX is highly seasonal, and the folks who can afford the nice winter weather there have means. We don’t cater to the golf in Scottsdale crowd. I would expect our service there to remain seasonal at best.
In many ways it’s PSP writ large.
We cater to the people who cater to the people who can afford the nice weather.
05-05-2021, 04:59 PM
#45
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While I don’t have a dog in this fight, the demographics don’t really seem a great deal different than a lot of other places.
That’s only about 3% different than the US median household income. Median age in PHX 33+, median age in US is 38+, so it’s actually a slightly younger crowd.
Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale Arizona Household Income
The Census ACS 1-year survey reports that the median household income for the Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale Arizona metro area was $67,896 in 2019, the latest figures available. Phoenix median household income is $5,841 higher than the median Arizona household income and $2,184 greater than the US median household income. 2020 metro income data (including Phoenix median household income) will be released in September of 2021.
05-05-2021, 07:19 PM
#47
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as I said..... anecdotal. I know you’re super invested about this PHX thing but I did not, nor have I ever, suggested we use one guy I know as a TrEnD lInE tO bUiLd A bUiSnEsS mOdEl. The only reason I commented (I realize I probably shouldn’t have) is because one regular PHX leisure traveller I know happens to also be an affluent type. Was just a funny coincidence. That’s all.
05-05-2021, 09:41 PM
#48
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My original reason for bringing up PHX was that it’s a large western metro that is basically useless to spirit passengers unless your going east at 1am. If we even had a simple route from there to connect passengers to LAS it would give those passengers access to our whole route system. Believe it or not, the 5,000,000 people who call the Phoenix metro area home travel all year. Some people travel there in the winter, and people who live there all year like to travel to other places at aren’t 114 degrees in the summer. I know it’s shocking
05-06-2021, 05:32 AM
#49
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I've heard it first hand from JM that EWR is out of the equation, but if we win this lawsuit and end up with a bunch of prime EWR slots and another gate or two I would think that would probably be reconsidered. Plus there's the LGA expansion. I think in a perfect world they'd close ACY and open both BWI and EWR, but that's probably not the cheapest way to go.
05-06-2021, 06:35 AM
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Allegiant has a large base at Mesa - IWA which does quite well, though is somewhat seasonal. Lots of locals drive all the way across the valley for the cheap fares, direct flights, and to avoid the crap show at Sky Harbor.
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