Jumpseat Etiquette
03-21-2021, 06:27 AM
#61
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The company and union has sent out info that jumpseating FAs don’t need to stop by and ask or say hello, this has already been addressed by the higher ups.
As Gator said, the info is there. Whether you choose to follow it, is up to you. But let’s not try to conflate this as a power trip thing. It’s literally simple black and white. Good day sir.
And I’ll leave this from the ALPA app. Just a little jumpseat etiquette for those that need a refresher
Remember, jumpseating is a privilege requiring professional conduct at all times. Be courteous to agents when requesting the jumpseat. Always ask the captain’s permission and offer thanks for the ride, even if occupying a cabin seat. Never let an agent rush you past the cockpit without asking the captain’s permission. FARs require the captain to know you are on board. Identify yourself as a jumpseater to the flight attendants when boarding. Some airlines require non-revenue passengers and jumpseaters to board last and conversely deplane last.
As Gator said, the info is there. Whether you choose to follow it, is up to you. But let’s not try to conflate this as a power trip thing. It’s literally simple black and white. Good day sir.
And I’ll leave this from the ALPA app. Just a little jumpseat etiquette for those that need a refresher
Remember, jumpseating is a privilege requiring professional conduct at all times. Be courteous to agents when requesting the jumpseat. Always ask the captain’s permission and offer thanks for the ride, even if occupying a cabin seat. Never let an agent rush you past the cockpit without asking the captain’s permission. FARs require the captain to know you are on board. Identify yourself as a jumpseater to the flight attendants when boarding. Some airlines require non-revenue passengers and jumpseaters to board last and conversely deplane last.
The FOM states a jumpseat rider with a seat in the back doesn’t require the documents nor cass verification. Look it up. Me being ok with someone saying “I’ll be in the back” as they check in and someone else not thinking that’s good enough because they want to be asked permission is just personal differences.
03-21-2021, 06:29 AM
#62
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In the FOM it only states you need to be cass verified and have the proper documents if requesting authorization to access the cockpit. If they are cass denied or don’t have documents they can still “jumpseat” but have to sit in back. It’s right there in the FOM.
Show me a FAR that states anything about a jumpseat. The only jumpseat language is in each companies reciprocal agreements and the ops specs that’s signed off by the FAA. Republic may have had different wording on what cabin jumpseaters needed but when I was there you could jumpseat in back if you were a Republic employee with just your company ID.
Show me a FAR that states anything about a jumpseat. The only jumpseat language is in each companies reciprocal agreements and the ops specs that’s signed off by the FAA. Republic may have had different wording on what cabin jumpseaters needed but when I was there you could jumpseat in back if you were a Republic employee with just your company ID.
03-21-2021, 06:32 AM
#63
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Jumpseat Etiquette
Our own Jumpseat committee has published the contrary. Jumpseater in the cockpit or in a cabin seat requires a credentials check including pilot certificate and medical. This is the same for company or OAL pilots. Non Cass participants or a Cass denial due to a system issue can still occupy a cabin seat but still require a credential check.
So basically you’re saying it’s easier for an oal flight attendant to ride on us than our own company pilots. If this is true that’s 100% ridiculous and is kinda backwards.
Manual also states that to occupy the extra FA jumpseat all we need is the ACM form and a Spirit ID. So if I want to sit in a cabin seat as a listed jumpseater I need all my documents but I only need a spirit ID to occupy the FA jumpseat. Either way the wording in the FOM is terrible... I guess I’ve been here long enough that I shouldn’t be surprised.
Last edited by TrojanCMH; 03-21-2021 at 06:51 AM.
03-21-2021, 08:46 AM
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Got summoned up front and chastised prior to pushback by a captain of my own airline for not checking in and asking him for a ride while I was non-revving by myself with my two kids. Wasn’t even in uniform. I told him that I certainly appreciated the safe ride, but that he needed to adjust his expectations about non-rev pax vs jumpseaters. He responded by telling me that my attitude was why “our pilots get a bad reputation”. I asked him to provide evidence of his assertion. He got snarky a bit more, and I finally just said “I’m going back to my seat to be by my kids. Is that okay, or would you like us to deplane?”
03-21-2021, 08:56 AM
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Got summoned up front and chastised prior to pushback by a captain of my own airline for not checking in and asking him for a ride while I was non-revving by myself with my two kids. Wasn’t even in uniform. I told him that I certainly appreciated the safe ride, but that he needed to adjust his expectations about non-rev pax vs jumpseaters. He responded by telling me that my attitude was why “our pilots get a bad reputation”. I asked him to provide evidence of his assertion. He got snarky a bit more, and I finally just said “I’m going back to my seat to be by my kids. Is that okay, or would you like us to deplane?”
03-21-2021, 09:12 AM
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You think the frontier group has a worse reputation than our spirit group or allegiant? I think we all are about equal.
03-21-2021, 09:48 AM
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Got summoned up front and chastised prior to pushback by a captain of my own airline for not checking in and asking him for a ride while I was non-revving by myself with my two kids. Wasn’t even in uniform. I told him that I certainly appreciated the safe ride, but that he needed to adjust his expectations about non-rev pax vs jumpseaters. He responded by telling me that my attitude was why “our pilots get a bad reputation”. I asked him to provide evidence of his assertion. He got snarky a bit more, and I finally just said “I’m going back to my seat to be by my kids. Is that okay, or would you like us to deplane?”
03-21-2021, 09:58 AM
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And for Rick who like to put a sweater on and drink...
If offered a seat in first class by the captain, inform the lead flight attendant of this permission. A first-class seat doesn’t automatically entitle you to the same first class benefits as revenue passengers. If they can accommodate you in first class, do not drink alcoholic beverages. While you are exercising the privileges afforded you by FAR 121.547 or 121.583 (i.e., jumpseating), you are considered an additional crewmember, and the alcohol limitations of FAR 91 apply. Just because you get a seat in the back does not relieve you from this responsibility. Even when in plainclothes, remember that you are still considered an additional crewmember by most airlines, and you may be required to perform duties in case of unusual or emergency circumstances.
2. As explained to me (and others) by FAA HQ people, the ACM paperwork basically authorizes you act as an ACM. If you're in the cockpit, you're presumed to be an ACM. If you're sleeping in the back you're a pax who is authorized to act as ACM should the occasion arise. Technically you're not strictly obligated to go up and act as ACM if called upon, that's mutual agreement between you and PIC although we all operate under the assumption that it will happen. Company policy and PIC preference may vary. Your CMO might have a different view, and they might be technically incorrect depending on OPSPEC.
I bring this up not to encourage alcohol consumption while JSing but just to point out the legalities of cabin vs cockpit. At least as explained to me by the best authority I've encountered to date (but it's the FAA, I suppose they might even still be wrong). To the original topic, as someone who might be called on to help I always let the crew know I'm on board, but I don't beg for a cabin seat on company metal.
03-21-2021, 10:03 AM
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03-21-2021, 10:16 AM
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You’re right. I read it as you thought they were the last group to have a bad reputation. As all other groups got rid of their bad reputation. Lol But I see what you’re saying now.
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