rickair7777

This is a flat out common misconception.

The FAA doesn't care how you listed for that cabin seat.

As I said before, the company might.

TrojanCMH

I don’t and I wouldn’t, especially if passengers saw you throw on your pullover. But I think you’re misunderstanding me. No where did I say not to check in or to get drunk in the back. All I said was if we are on the same team and you have a seat IN THE BACK I’m not going to make you do the whole “may I have a ride captain?” and show me all your documents deal. A “hey guys I’ll be in the back” is fine by me. You can say I’m violating the FOM all you want. The FOM states “jumpseater”. That means someone sitting in the physical jumpseat to me, not everyone who filled out some piece of paper the untrained gate agent pressured them to fill out. CASS was developed for flight deck access and has no bearing on whether a spirit employee can sit in back. Do you ask for all the jumpseating flight attendant’s documents when the small percentage actually say hi and check in?

gripngrab

If you fill out the jumpseat form, you are part of the crew and should check in. If you non rev and don't fill out the form, no need to check in. Did you get hired here? Thought you were at Envoy for the flow-threwwww. Don't want to give that up do ya?

Bat2210

As a commuter for over 30 years, when I signed up for the jumpseat and got a seat in back, I always checked in with the Captain ALWAYS. Online or Offline. It was simple.

RonnyK320

You are 100% incorrect. If you list for the jumpseat, you're part of the crew. You accessed the aircraft under 121.547. That's why you can't drink. Would you ever drink if you listed for the jumpseat and got a seat in the back? I would hope not.

There's a story about a Republic captain that got in trouble with the FAA because he didn't check the jumpseater's certificates and he got a line check with the FAA. The FAA found out there was a jumpseater in the back, and asked to see his certificates since guess what - he's part of the crew. The jumpseater didn't have them and they both got in trouble.

TrojanCMH

In the FOM it only states you need to be cass verified and have the proper documents if requesting authorization to access the cockpit. If they are cass denied or don’t have documents they can still “jumpseat” but have to sit in back. It’s right there in the FOM.

Show me a FAR that states anything about a jumpseat. The only jumpseat language is in each companies reciprocal agreements and the ops specs that’s signed off by the FAA. Republic may have had different wording on what cabin jumpseaters needed but when I was there you could jumpseat in back if you were a Republic employee with just your company ID.

GrassLandings

Actually you are both correct. A jumpseater regardless of position cannot drink as you stated, however checking in and showing license and medical is not required if it flows back to the cabin at SOME, in fact, most airlines. Spirit, Sun Country, and many others still use that paper jumpseat form and so checking in kind of becomes required, cred check just depends. credentials are only legally required if you are occupying a crew seat. A normal seat in the back does not require license and medical check, unless the operating airline FOM procedures say otherwise. Then thats controlling of course.
Airlines that allow no check in flow back, obviously dont require license/medical check for a seat in the back either.

Check the ALPA app and every airlines jumpseat etiquette. Most airlines do not require check in if they have a seat in the back. Those that do, generally are the ones that still do the old school jumpseat paper slip.

CincoDeMayo

The company and union has sent out info that jumpseating FAs don’t need to stop by and ask or say hello, this has already been addressed by the higher ups.

As Gator said, the info is there. Whether you choose to follow it, is up to you. But let’s not try to conflate this as a power trip thing. It’s literally simple black and white. Good day sir.

And I’ll leave this from the ALPA app. Just a little jumpseat etiquette for those that need a refresher

Remember, jumpseating is a privilege requiring professional conduct at all times. Be courteous to agents when requesting the jumpseat. Always ask the captain’s permission and offer thanks for the ride, even if occupying a cabin seat. Never let an agent rush you past the cockpit without asking the captain’s permission. FARs require the captain to know you are on board. Identify yourself as a jumpseater to the flight attendants when boarding. Some airlines require non-revenue passengers and jumpseaters to board last and conversely deplane last.

And for Rick who like to put a sweater on and drink...

If offered a seat in first class by the captain, inform the lead flight attendant of this permission. A first-class seat doesn’t automatically entitle you to the same first class benefits as revenue passengers. If they can accommodate you in first class, do not drink alcoholic beverages. While you are exercising the privileges afforded you by FAR 121.547 or 121.583 (i.e., jumpseating), you are considered an additional crewmember, and the alcohol limitations of FAR 91 apply. Just because you get a seat in the back does not relieve you from this responsibility. Even when in plainclothes, remember that you are still considered an additional crewmember by most airlines, and you may be required to perform duties in case of unusual or emergency circumstances.

Halon1211

that is for jumpseating! I’m not talking about jumpseating, I’m talking about listing as a non-rev. Please tell me where in the book it says a non-rev has to check in with the captain.

CincoDeMayo

He never said. Nobody is even talking about that but like always, you want to make it about you. He was specifically addressing jumpseating with seat assignments.