Jumpseat Etiquette
#51
This is flat out wrong. If you list for the jumpseat and get your name run through CASS and still find yourself sitting in the back you are still considered part of the crew. And that even applies to sitting in the back of an airplane you’re not even qualified for, for a different airline..
The FAA doesn't care how you listed for that cabin seat.
As I said before, the company might.
#52
Jumpseat Etiquette
I don’t and I wouldn’t, especially if passengers saw you throw on your pullover. But I think you’re misunderstanding me. No where did I say not to check in or to get drunk in the back. All I said was if we are on the same team and you have a seat IN THE BACK I’m not going to make you do the whole “may I have a ride captain?” and show me all your documents deal. A “hey guys I’ll be in the back” is fine by me. You can say I’m violating the FOM all you want. The FOM states “jumpseater”. That means someone sitting in the physical jumpseat to me, not everyone who filled out some piece of paper the untrained gate agent pressured them to fill out. CASS was developed for flight deck access and has no bearing on whether a spirit employee can sit in back. Do you ask for all the jumpseating flight attendant’s documents when the small percentage actually say hi and check in?
#53
Just to clarify, if a fellow Spirit pilot gets a seat in the back of a Spirit aircraft, they are still required to check in with the CA? This is good info, as at my current outfit that isnt the case and I may have, assuming there wasnt any training on it, done that myself one day.
Obviously other airlines you always check in, I just wasnt aware that Spirit wants you checking in even if on own metal.
And no, this wasnt me lol.
Obviously other airlines you always check in, I just wasnt aware that Spirit wants you checking in even if on own metal.
And no, this wasnt me lol.
#55
There's a story about a Republic captain that got in trouble with the FAA because he didn't check the jumpseater's certificates and he got a line check with the FAA. The FAA found out there was a jumpseater in the back, and asked to see his certificates since guess what - he's part of the crew. The jumpseater didn't have them and they both got in trouble.
#56
Jumpseat Etiquette
In the FOM it only states you need to be cass verified and have the proper documents if requesting authorization to access the cockpit. If they are cass denied or don’t have documents they can still “jumpseat” but have to sit in back. It’s right there in the FOM.
Show me a FAR that states anything about a jumpseat. The only jumpseat language is in each companies reciprocal agreements and the ops specs that’s signed off by the FAA. Republic may have had different wording on what cabin jumpseaters needed but when I was there you could jumpseat in back if you were a Republic employee with just your company ID.
Show me a FAR that states anything about a jumpseat. The only jumpseat language is in each companies reciprocal agreements and the ops specs that’s signed off by the FAA. Republic may have had different wording on what cabin jumpseaters needed but when I was there you could jumpseat in back if you were a Republic employee with just your company ID.
#57
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2015
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You are 100% incorrect. If you list for the jumpseat, you're part of the crew. You accessed the aircraft under 121.547. That's why you can't drink. Would you ever drink if you listed for the jumpseat and got a seat in the back? I would hope not.
There's a story about a Republic captain that got in trouble with the FAA because he didn't check the jumpseater's certificates and he got a line check with the FAA. The FAA found out there was a jumpseater in the back, and asked to see his certificates since guess what - he's part of the crew. The jumpseater didn't have them and they both got in trouble.
There's a story about a Republic captain that got in trouble with the FAA because he didn't check the jumpseater's certificates and he got a line check with the FAA. The FAA found out there was a jumpseater in the back, and asked to see his certificates since guess what - he's part of the crew. The jumpseater didn't have them and they both got in trouble.
Airlines that allow no check in flow back, obviously dont require license/medical check for a seat in the back either.
Check the ALPA app and every airlines jumpseat etiquette. Most airlines do not require check in if they have a seat in the back. Those that do, generally are the ones that still do the old school jumpseat paper slip.
#58
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,954
I don’t and I wouldn’t, especially if passengers saw you throw on your pullover. But I think you’re misunderstanding me. No where did I say not to check in or to get drunk in the back. All I said was if we are on the same team and you have a seat IN THE BACK I’m not going to make you do the whole “may I have a ride captain?” and show me all your documents deal. A “hey guys I’ll be in the back” is fine by me. You can say I’m violating the FOM all you want. The FOM states “jumpseater”. That means someone sitting in the physical jumpseat to me, not everyone who filled out some piece of paper the untrained gate agent pressured them to fill out. CASS was developed for flight deck access and has no bearing on whether a spirit employee can sit in back. Do you ask for all the jumpseating flight attendant’s documents when the small percentage actually say hi and check in?
As Gator said, the info is there. Whether you choose to follow it, is up to you. But let’s not try to conflate this as a power trip thing. It’s literally simple black and white. Good day sir.
And I’ll leave this from the ALPA app. Just a little jumpseat etiquette for those that need a refresher
Remember, jumpseating is a privilege requiring professional conduct at all times. Be courteous to agents when requesting the jumpseat. Always ask the captain’s permission and offer thanks for the ride, even if occupying a cabin seat. Never let an agent rush you past the cockpit without asking the captain’s permission. FARs require the captain to know you are on board. Identify yourself as a jumpseater to the flight attendants when boarding. Some airlines require non-revenue passengers and jumpseaters to board last and conversely deplane last.
And for Rick who like to put a sweater on and drink...
If offered a seat in first class by the captain, inform the lead flight attendant of this permission. A first-class seat doesn’t automatically entitle you to the same first class benefits as revenue passengers. If they can accommodate you in first class, do not drink alcoholic beverages. While you are exercising the privileges afforded you by FAR 121.547 or 121.583 (i.e., jumpseating), you are considered an additional crewmember, and the alcohol limitations of FAR 91 apply. Just because you get a seat in the back does not relieve you from this responsibility. Even when in plainclothes, remember that you are still considered an additional crewmember by most airlines, and you may be required to perform duties in case of unusual or emergency circumstances.
#59
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 3,283
that is for jumpseating! I’m not talking about jumpseating, I’m talking about listing as a non-rev. Please tell me where in the book it says a non-rev has to check in with the captain.
#60
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,954
He never said. Nobody is even talking about that but like always, you want to make it about you. He was specifically addressing jumpseating with seat assignments.
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