Jumpseat Etiquette
03-20-2021, 12:40 PM
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Jumpseat Etiquette
I think they think that it’s required of them whenever they see a pilot show up. When you tell them not to they automatically think you’re trying to pull something sneaky on them...
03-20-2021, 12:56 PM
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You realize you are taking 2 examples, and both are the result of an untrained pilot catching a ride.
1) If he listed non rev, he should not be filling out a CASS form. If you fill out a CASS form, you are under the rules of the CASS certificate you just signed. So if he was non revving, he needs to be trained to not fill out a CASS Form, as Ronny said, refuse it.
2) If he was jumpseating, and filled out his CASS and received a cabin seat, he is to still check in with the crew. Does not matter if you think this CA needs his ego massaged. If the CA says "no worries, I dont need to see it," cool. But the CA has the right..you know this. So as far as making this job much harder that it needs to be, who is really doing that? The guy who is posting about proper procedure being followed or the guy telling people to just "chill out"?
Because I think you telling newhires to not worry about the correct way, only causes more issues for them when they get confronted by a CA who wants it done the correct way? See my point?
In the end, another example how we fail our new hires by even teaching them the simplest of policies. Guys figure "well my regional was this way, must be this way everywhere else"
1) If he listed non rev, he should not be filling out a CASS form. If you fill out a CASS form, you are under the rules of the CASS certificate you just signed. So if he was non revving, he needs to be trained to not fill out a CASS Form, as Ronny said, refuse it.
2) If he was jumpseating, and filled out his CASS and received a cabin seat, he is to still check in with the crew. Does not matter if you think this CA needs his ego massaged. If the CA says "no worries, I dont need to see it," cool. But the CA has the right..you know this. So as far as making this job much harder that it needs to be, who is really doing that? The guy who is posting about proper procedure being followed or the guy telling people to just "chill out"?
Because I think you telling newhires to not worry about the correct way, only causes more issues for them when they get confronted by a CA who wants it done the correct way? See my point?
In the end, another example how we fail our new hires by even teaching them the simplest of policies. Guys figure "well my regional was this way, must be this way everywhere else"
1. Often times the gate agent will push/force you to fill out the form and it’s often easier just to do it and be done with it.
2. The guy/gal did check in but the captain didn’t like the way they checked in. He/she said “they’d be in the back” which I think is reasonable, maybe a little unsocial, but if the guy or gal is a Spirit pilot commuting in the back of a spirit airplane then who cares, same team. Find bigger problems to get bent out of shape about.
03-20-2021, 01:03 PM
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I’m saying if we’re on the same team I’m not going to give you a bunch of crap and expect you to do the whole “My I have a ride captain” song and dance. Our jump seat/non-rev system is stupid as it is. If you have a seat in the back I could care less if you just walk on and let me know you’ll be sitting back there. Especially when you could have just as easily non-reved. Now on that note, as a commuter I always stop by the cockpit, say hi, and introduce myself, and show the captain and FO my ID or anything else they want and so should everyone else. It’s common etiquette. But if you think I need to ask you for a ride while sitting in the back on my own company metal then you’re delusional. On other airlines 100% you need to ask...
I’m not saying don’t stop by the cockpit and introduce yourself as a common courtesy but the original post seemed a little egotistical and like the guy expected to be asked permission to sit in back when they are on the same team. Also they should train the gate agents better and not make any spirit pilot who shows up to list as a jumpseater. It often turns into a argument when you try to explain you’re just a non-rev and don’t want to jumpseat, especially if you’re in uniform.
I’m not saying don’t stop by the cockpit and introduce yourself as a common courtesy but the original post seemed a little egotistical and like the guy expected to be asked permission to sit in back when they are on the same team. Also they should train the gate agents better and not make any spirit pilot who shows up to list as a jumpseater. It often turns into a argument when you try to explain you’re just a non-rev and don’t want to jumpseat, especially if you’re in uniform.
Why the hell do you make it a "if you think im asking you for a ride youre delusional" headache? Once you start TrojanAirlines, you can have whatever policy you want. Until then, simple thing is just follow our policy and make it easy.
03-20-2021, 01:06 PM
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Who said to give anyone a bunch of crap or kiss the ring? You make this so difficult. "Hey guys, listed for the jump, here is the CASS form, you want to see my certs? Nope, cool..thanks for the ride"
Why the hell do you make it a "if you think im asking you for a ride youre delusional" headache? Once you start TrojanAirlines, you can have whatever policy you want. Until then, simple thing is just follow our policy and make it easy.
Why the hell do you make it a "if you think im asking you for a ride youre delusional" headache? Once you start TrojanAirlines, you can have whatever policy you want. Until then, simple thing is just follow our policy and make it easy.
Where is our policy? All it says is check in with captain. This spirit jumpseater checked in with the spirit captain and said “I’ll be in the back”. Apparently that doesn’t cut it for this captain. I’m saying why not? Do you really need one of your fellow employees to chat with you? Is there really a situation where you’d say they can’t ride in the back of their own companies airplane? I got a big “kiss the ring” vibe from the original poster.
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03-20-2021, 01:07 PM
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If I’m non-reving, I will be nice and come up and say hi and definitely make it clear that “I’m just non-reving.”
So, you as the rider need to make sure that if you are non-reving don’t be tricked by the gate agent or think you need to fill out a CASS form or try to give one to the captain.
and you as the captain need to make sure that if someone is non-reving, they don’t need your permission to catch a ride (although it would be nice to say hi)
03-20-2021, 01:08 PM
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03-20-2021, 01:15 PM
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I list as a non-rev all the time and don’t bother with the JS listing. Usually there’s plenty of seats and my seniority gives me a better shot at a BFS going this route. Plus, I can check in online and board with my phone with the new app. I’ve had a couple of CAs confused as to why I didn’t have an ACM form when I popped in to say “hi” (which is not required but usually adds to the kind of confusion I’m reading on this thread if I don’t).
IF I list as an ACM, I ALWAYS have my credentials out and in my hand ready to present, no matter the airline. For NK, it’s REQUIRED and people need to understand I’m not being a dick for asking to see it. Should be automatic. What part of “it’s clearly spelled out in the FOM and we’ve had CAs NOIed for issues related to this” do people not understand?
Like someone said, it’s not hard. If you’re non-revving, non-rev. If you’re an ACM, do ALL the steps REQUIRED of you.
IF I list as an ACM, I ALWAYS have my credentials out and in my hand ready to present, no matter the airline. For NK, it’s REQUIRED and people need to understand I’m not being a dick for asking to see it. Should be automatic. What part of “it’s clearly spelled out in the FOM and we’ve had CAs NOIed for issues related to this” do people not understand?
Like someone said, it’s not hard. If you’re non-revving, non-rev. If you’re an ACM, do ALL the steps REQUIRED of you.
03-20-2021, 01:18 PM
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I still stop by the cockpit to say hello if I’m dhing on another airline. Keeps the crew from wondering if I was a jumpseater that didn’t ask for permission and giving Spirit pilots a bad rap.. but hey Trojan- you do you!
03-20-2021, 01:19 PM
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I liked it when I jumpseated on AA 3 weeks ago and asked for a ride , and CA said ‘yeah I guess we’ll allow the lowest paid pilot in the industry on board’ ha. I was so stunned I chuckled and kept moving. I took solace in knowing he works for a dumpster fire . And I’m happy, something he may have never experienced. Sometimes the high road is the best path.
03-20-2021, 01:19 PM
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or some other leave such as FMLA
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