Jumpseat Etiquette
03-29-2021, 07:15 AM
#132
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 4,603
Or for the comfort of our passengers, FAs, and next crew you could just run the APU when pulling into the gate (not starting it just off the runway and running it for a half hour waiting for the gate), then bleed on engine shutdown with full cold pumping until the ext air gets hooked up not just the GPU. Then you go home. Electricity does nothing for anyone’s comfort yet pilots just walk off the jet while we swelter in the back. We need air in the back. You leave when GPU gets connected and the airplane heats up until air gets connected 5-10 min later and it can never catch up so the next crew fires the APU as soon as they get on and disconnects ground air. Uncomfortable for the deplaning flight and less efficient for the company.
03-29-2021, 07:37 AM
#133
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,954
Or for the comfort of our passengers, FAs, and next crew you could just run the APU when pulling into the gate (not starting it just off the runway and running it for a half hour waiting for the gate), then bleed on engine shutdown with full cold pumping until the ext air gets hooked up not just the GPU. Then you go home. Electricity does nothing for anyone’s comfort yet pilots just walk off the jet while we swelter in the back. We need air in the back. You leave when GPU gets connected and the airplane heats up until air gets connected 5-10 min later and it can never catch up so the next crew fires the APU as soon as they get on and disconnects ground air. Uncomfortable for the deplaning flight and less efficient for the company.
How many summers now are we still dealing with bad gate air, slow ground crews to hook it up, ever changing policies on when we can use the APU, warm up time, etc...the reminding of management that having the bleed on with ground air is a pilot limitation we are busting, even IF the ground crew hooks up air after we have the bleed going.
The fact is we are supposed to shut it down when into the gate and GPU hooked up. What happens from the ground crew and airport ops side from that point isn’t your job, Captain. If you want to go the extra mile, feel free to reach out and file a report for hot air carts, slow ground crew etc. if you take a plane that’s hot, you delay boarding based on our hot airplane boarding procedures and cool it down. Company wants to know why, you can tell them.
Pilots can not continue to fix the inefficiencies of this company, 4 summers into the shut down procedures.
If you’re hot after deadheading, you know why, It’s Spirit and their policies.
If FAs are hot, that’s an issue their union can take up with the company on why air carts aren’t being hooked up and working. And the FAs get ZERO sympathy from me when they never make the hot weather announcement and have window shades closed when parking. A FA complaining about a hot plane with 70 windows open. Hmmm.
“Parking checklist complete”
You’re done, you can’t continue to do others jobs and expect anything to change.
03-29-2021, 12:05 PM
#134
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Joined APC: Jul 2009
Posts: 156
You know summer is around the corner when Qotsa starts reminding everyone to stay and keep APU bleed on while deplaning.
How many summers now are we still dealing with bad gate air, slow ground crews to hook it up, ever changing policies on when we can use the APU, warm up time, etc...the reminding of management that having the bleed on with ground air is a pilot limitation we are busting, even IF the ground crew hooks up air after we have the bleed going.
The fact is we are supposed to shut it down when into the gate and GPU hooked up. What happens from the ground crew and airport ops side from that point isn’t your job, Captain. If you want to go the extra mile, feel free to reach out and file a report for hot air carts, slow ground crew etc. if you take a plane that’s hot, you delay boarding based on our hot airplane boarding procedures and cool it down. Company wants to know why, you can tell them.
Pilots can not continue to fix the inefficiencies of this company, 4 summers into the shut down procedures.
If you’re hot after deadheading, you know why, It’s Spirit and their policies.
If FAs are hot, that’s an issue their union can take up with the company on why air carts aren’t being hooked up and working. And the FAs get ZERO sympathy from me when they never make the hot weather announcement and have window shades closed when parking. A FA complaining about a hot plane with 70 windows open. Hmmm.
“Parking checklist complete”
You’re done, you can’t continue to do others jobs and expect anything to change.
How many summers now are we still dealing with bad gate air, slow ground crews to hook it up, ever changing policies on when we can use the APU, warm up time, etc...the reminding of management that having the bleed on with ground air is a pilot limitation we are busting, even IF the ground crew hooks up air after we have the bleed going.
The fact is we are supposed to shut it down when into the gate and GPU hooked up. What happens from the ground crew and airport ops side from that point isn’t your job, Captain. If you want to go the extra mile, feel free to reach out and file a report for hot air carts, slow ground crew etc. if you take a plane that’s hot, you delay boarding based on our hot airplane boarding procedures and cool it down. Company wants to know why, you can tell them.
Pilots can not continue to fix the inefficiencies of this company, 4 summers into the shut down procedures.
If you’re hot after deadheading, you know why, It’s Spirit and their policies.
If FAs are hot, that’s an issue their union can take up with the company on why air carts aren’t being hooked up and working. And the FAs get ZERO sympathy from me when they never make the hot weather announcement and have window shades closed when parking. A FA complaining about a hot plane with 70 windows open. Hmmm.
“Parking checklist complete”
You’re done, you can’t continue to do others jobs and expect anything to change.
Nailed it.
03-29-2021, 03:57 PM
#135
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 4,603
You know summer is around the corner when Qotsa starts reminding everyone to stay and keep APU bleed on while deplaning.
How many summers now are we still dealing with bad gate air, slow ground crews to hook it up, ever changing policies on when we can use the APU, warm up time, etc...the reminding of management that having the bleed on with ground air is a pilot limitation we are busting, even IF the ground crew hooks up air after we have the bleed going.
The fact is we are supposed to shut it down when into the gate and GPU hooked up. What happens from the ground crew and airport ops side from that point isn’t your job, Captain. If you want to go the extra mile, feel free to reach out and file a report for hot air carts, slow ground crew etc. if you take a plane that’s hot, you delay boarding based on our hot airplane boarding procedures and cool it down. Company wants to know why, you can tell them.
Pilots can not continue to fix the inefficiencies of this company, 4 summers into the shut down procedures.
If you’re hot after deadheading, you know why, It’s Spirit and their policies.
If FAs are hot, that’s an issue their union can take up with the company on why air carts aren’t being hooked up and working. And the FAs get ZERO sympathy from me when they never make the hot weather announcement and have window shades closed when parking. A FA complaining about a hot plane with 70 windows open. Hmmm.
“Parking checklist complete”
You’re done, you can’t continue to do others jobs and expect anything to change.
How many summers now are we still dealing with bad gate air, slow ground crews to hook it up, ever changing policies on when we can use the APU, warm up time, etc...the reminding of management that having the bleed on with ground air is a pilot limitation we are busting, even IF the ground crew hooks up air after we have the bleed going.
The fact is we are supposed to shut it down when into the gate and GPU hooked up. What happens from the ground crew and airport ops side from that point isn’t your job, Captain. If you want to go the extra mile, feel free to reach out and file a report for hot air carts, slow ground crew etc. if you take a plane that’s hot, you delay boarding based on our hot airplane boarding procedures and cool it down. Company wants to know why, you can tell them.
Pilots can not continue to fix the inefficiencies of this company, 4 summers into the shut down procedures.
If you’re hot after deadheading, you know why, It’s Spirit and their policies.
If FAs are hot, that’s an issue their union can take up with the company on why air carts aren’t being hooked up and working. And the FAs get ZERO sympathy from me when they never make the hot weather announcement and have window shades closed when parking. A FA complaining about a hot plane with 70 windows open. Hmmm.
“Parking checklist complete”
You’re done, you can’t continue to do others jobs and expect anything to change.
03-29-2021, 04:27 PM
#136
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,954
Thanks Chief! Takes all of five minutes to keep the airplane cool. You look out your window and see them hook the air up you shut her down and go home. And if they aren’t that quick get your stuff together while the bleed is pumping cold and when the plane is 2/3 empty shut it down and leave. Let’s not forget the plane is supposed to be exchanging the air every three minutes. I do not have my vax yet and prefer to not have stagnant air from 228 people hanging in the tube.
Keep preaching from the soapbox. 1/3, 2/3, or totally empty
it doesn’t matter, you are making everyone’s job harder when you do others jobs for them. Have you ever considered the fact when they hear you pumping that APU, they won’t hook the air up? Pavlov Dog reaction with those rampers. They hear you pumping the APU, they aren’t in any rush to hook air up.
In the end, if people just followed the procedures, this job is so simple.
Last edited by CincoDeMayo; 03-29-2021 at 04:41 PM.
03-29-2021, 05:01 PM
#137
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 4,603
Then stay home if the air scares you. Because you complained about this way before Covid was a thing. So don’t make it a stagnant Covid air thing.
Keep preaching from the soapbox. 1/3, 2/3, or totally empty
it doesn’t matter, you are making everyone’s job harder when you do others jobs for them. Have you ever considered the fact when they hear you pumping that APU, they won’t hook the air up? Pavlov Dog reaction with those rampers. They hear you pumping the APU, they aren’t in any rush to hook air up.
In the end, if people just followed the procedures, this job is so simple.
Keep preaching from the soapbox. 1/3, 2/3, or totally empty
it doesn’t matter, you are making everyone’s job harder when you do others jobs for them. Have you ever considered the fact when they hear you pumping that APU, they won’t hook the air up? Pavlov Dog reaction with those rampers. They hear you pumping the APU, they aren’t in any rush to hook air up.
In the end, if people just followed the procedures, this job is so simple.
03-29-2021, 06:39 PM
#138
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: Da Bus, Left
Posts: 1,565
03-30-2021, 06:00 AM
#139
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
Position: A320
Posts: 734
Then stay home if the air scares you. Because you complained about this way before Covid was a thing. So don’t make it a stagnant Covid air thing.
Keep preaching from the soapbox. 1/3, 2/3, or totally empty
it doesn’t matter, you are making everyone’s job harder when you do others jobs for them. Have you ever considered the fact when they hear you pumping that APU, they won’t hook the air up? Pavlov Dog reaction with those rampers. They hear you pumping the APU, they aren’t in any rush to hook air up.
In the end, if people just followed the procedures, this job is so simple.
Keep preaching from the soapbox. 1/3, 2/3, or totally empty
it doesn’t matter, you are making everyone’s job harder when you do others jobs for them. Have you ever considered the fact when they hear you pumping that APU, they won’t hook the air up? Pavlov Dog reaction with those rampers. They hear you pumping the APU, they aren’t in any rush to hook air up.
In the end, if people just followed the procedures, this job is so simple.
03-30-2021, 06:16 AM
#140
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,954
I shut the plane down and leave when the parking checklist is done, exception being securing checklist on those occasions.
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