Jumpseat Etiquette
03-22-2021, 08:57 AM
#101
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That would be a good idea also. I like that.
I’m also perfectly happy to chat, just as a matter of general politeness/friendliness, but I have tried and failed to understand the hidden “litmus” test of the “begging for a ride” thing. It’s my opinion that it is simply time for the profession to move on from that.
I’m also perfectly happy to chat, just as a matter of general politeness/friendliness, but I have tried and failed to understand the hidden “litmus” test of the “begging for a ride” thing. It’s my opinion that it is simply time for the profession to move on from that.
03-22-2021, 02:56 PM
#102
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I still always abide by the standard etiquette of asking for a ride when utilizing J/S privileges, but I have to be honest, I would vote in a heartbeat to change the etiquette to only encompass those pilots who are actually going to be riding in the flight deck or cabin jumpseats. If a pilot from any airline is assigned a normal cabin seat, I simply don’t care whether or not they “check-in” or “ask permission”. Lots of times you are just getting interrupted during cockpit preparations in order to have this silly interaction. In a truly dire abnormal situation that may require additional help, I think almost any professional pilot would think to solicit help from the cabin if need be.
Come to think of it, last time I rode on DL, I had a cabin seat, and when I went up front to say Hi, the CA in a friendly manner mentioned that their policy no longer required the “check-in” for OAL riders if they are assigned a cabin seat.
Come to think of it, last time I rode on DL, I had a cabin seat, and when I went up front to say Hi, the CA in a friendly manner mentioned that their policy no longer required the “check-in” for OAL riders if they are assigned a cabin seat.
Literally every single airline I have worked for has over complicated the living chit out of JS/Non Reving.
As far as we go - I propose this. It’s incredibly simple.
Every pilot will list for the Jumpseat. The only time the travel site would even have a Non-Rev option is if you are traveling with your spouse, kids or parents etc.
So... everyone is listed for the JS. You show up to said flight and say hello to the gate agent.
The flight has 39 open seats. Awesome! “Aisle, window or row to yourself?”. The agent prints off your boarding pass, hands it to you and you are now a Non-Rev. You will not be filling out ANY paperwork/form. You are no longer a JS.
Again you don’t fill out any paperwork, because you are not a jumpseater. There were 39 open seats when you came up to the gate and you are now a Non-Rev.
I don’t know what their screen looks like, but essentially she has dragged you from the “Jumpseat list” to the “Non-Rev list” and given you a ticket all within 30-60 seconds. Away you go.
In my scenario the only time anyone would ever fill out any paperwork is if they were physically going to be sitting in the cockpit.
This should NOT be this complicated, folks. Truly.
03-22-2021, 03:57 PM
#103
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LOL! That dude absolutely had to have been former Northwest. Zero chance a true blood ole D’er is ever going to allow that (even if the policy did change). 😂
Literally every single airline I have worked for has over complicated the living chit out of JS/Non Reving.
As far as we go - I propose this. It’s incredibly simple.
Every pilot will list for the Jumpseat. The only time the travel site would even have a Non-Rev option is if you are traveling with your spouse, kids or parents etc.
So... everyone is listed for the JS. You show up to said flight and say hello to the gate agent.
The flight has 39 open seats. Awesome! “Aisle, window or row to yourself?”. The agent prints off your boarding pass, hands it to you and you are now a Non-Rev. You will not be filling out ANY paperwork/form. You are no longer a JS.
Again you don’t fill out any paperwork, because you are not a jumpseater. There were 39 open seats when you came up to the gate and you are now a Non-Rev.
I don’t know what their screen looks like, but essentially she has dragged you from the “Jumpseat list” to the “Non-Rev list” and given you a ticket all within 30-60 seconds. Away you go.
In my scenario the only time anyone would ever fill out any paperwork is if they were physically going to be sitting in the cockpit.
This should NOT be this complicated, folks. Truly.
Literally every single airline I have worked for has over complicated the living chit out of JS/Non Reving.
As far as we go - I propose this. It’s incredibly simple.
Every pilot will list for the Jumpseat. The only time the travel site would even have a Non-Rev option is if you are traveling with your spouse, kids or parents etc.
So... everyone is listed for the JS. You show up to said flight and say hello to the gate agent.
The flight has 39 open seats. Awesome! “Aisle, window or row to yourself?”. The agent prints off your boarding pass, hands it to you and you are now a Non-Rev. You will not be filling out ANY paperwork/form. You are no longer a JS.
Again you don’t fill out any paperwork, because you are not a jumpseater. There were 39 open seats when you came up to the gate and you are now a Non-Rev.
I don’t know what their screen looks like, but essentially she has dragged you from the “Jumpseat list” to the “Non-Rev list” and given you a ticket all within 30-60 seconds. Away you go.
In my scenario the only time anyone would ever fill out any paperwork is if they were physically going to be sitting in the cockpit.
This should NOT be this complicated, folks. Truly.
03-22-2021, 04:29 PM
#104
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I believe it was the old site that would show at least 15 seats or more open.
The thing with NK is we always have no shows. It is insanely rare to not have at least 6+ or more on a flight not showing.
Even Pre-Covid, I could count on one hand I ever had someone physically have to sit up front.
03-22-2021, 04:57 PM
#105
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It has been awhile since I used it as an OAL. I just tried it and it does appear that offline can’t see actual number of open seats anymore, but it still shows “Good/Poor” etc.
I believe it was the old site that would show at least 15 seats or more open.
The thing with NK is we always have no shows. It is insanely rare to not have at least 6+ or more on a flight not showing.
Even Pre-Covid, I could count on one hand I ever had someone physically have to sit up front.
I believe it was the old site that would show at least 15 seats or more open.
The thing with NK is we always have no shows. It is insanely rare to not have at least 6+ or more on a flight not showing.
Even Pre-Covid, I could count on one hand I ever had someone physically have to sit up front.
Zed agreements with AA/delta/United sure would’ve been handy
Last edited by Qotsaautopilot; 03-22-2021 at 05:08 PM.
03-22-2021, 05:07 PM
#106
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Also when traveling with my family I always list as a nonrev so they travel as S4 and my hire date and not S5. If the flight is close or many non-revs I’ll list for nonrev and Jumpseat so we need fewer actual seats to get on or to help more downlist non-revs make the flight. Of course I will only take the Jumpseat to help more nonrev’s get on if there is not another pilot trying to get the Jumpseat. And I’ll never sit in the cockpit on a deadhead ever.
All that being said when nonreving with my family if I haven’t made the duplicate Jumpseat listing for said circumstances I have never been asked to fill out the Cass form or run through Cass so I’m not sure why that may be happening to folks. Of course I don’t roll around in my uniform on personal travel either. Heck I usually DH in street clothes 99% of the time.
Anyway I think we’ve cleared up that when jumpseating in front or back your are required to stop and have your stuff out and the CA is required to ask for it and shall.
All that being said when nonreving with my family if I haven’t made the duplicate Jumpseat listing for said circumstances I have never been asked to fill out the Cass form or run through Cass so I’m not sure why that may be happening to folks. Of course I don’t roll around in my uniform on personal travel either. Heck I usually DH in street clothes 99% of the time.
Anyway I think we’ve cleared up that when jumpseating in front or back your are required to stop and have your stuff out and the CA is required to ask for it and shall.
03-24-2021, 07:51 AM
#109
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yessir. We had a Captain get in some hot water not too long ago because a jumpseater with a seat in back didn’t have his license and medical, and the Captain didn’t verify it. I believe it was referenced earlier in this thread.
03-24-2021, 07:59 AM
#110
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Did the junpseater in the back not check in? Or did they check in and the captain didn’t ask to see license and medical? If the latter, how did the company find out that this person didn’t have their documents?
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