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07-24-2021, 08:52 AM
#321
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 307
what part of money is fungible did you not understand? And once you hit the contributory limit it gets paid to you anyway. If you’d prefer the word “earnings” that would probably be more appropriate since “salary” generally denotes a fixed amount and we do piecework with a guaranteed minimum.
I’m not real sure what that had to do with my question to you either, but okay. You can add up what the company pays for your insurance every month and add that to your “earnings” too, but it’s still not condisdered income/salary. I’m just amazed at how people in this forum can be so condescend to their fellow peers, over semantics. I’m glad 98% I fly with aren’t that way. It seems APC brings out the worst of the worst.
07-24-2021, 09:24 AM
#322
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,203
I’m not real sure what that had to do with my question to you either, but okay. You can add up what the company pays for your insurance every month and add that to your “earnings” too, but it’s still not condisdered income/salary. I’m just amazed at how people in this forum can be so condescend to their fellow peers, over semantics. I’m glad 98% I fly with aren’t that way. It seems APC brings out the worst of the worst.
Anything directly measurable in dollars and related to incremental effort is certainly earnings. Benefits not related to effort - but to employment itself like - oh, zed travel, or insurance would be desirable, but not really earnings.
07-24-2021, 09:50 AM
#323
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 307
I agree about the condescension over semantics. Why someone would think attempt counting coup over “salary” versus “earnings” measured in dollars and pretend to moral superiority is bizarre.
Anything directly measurable in dollars and related to incremental effort is certainly earnings. Benefits not related to effort - but to employment itself like - oh, zed travel, or insurance would be desirable, but not really earnings.
Anything directly measurable in dollars and related to incremental effort is certainly earnings. Benefits not related to effort - but to employment itself like - oh, zed travel, or insurance would be desirable, but not really earnings.
07-24-2021, 11:39 AM
#324
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,192
ExCargo seems to have slipped thru the cracks here down at Mirimar (or was it Zoom)? Probably zoom. It appears he is definitely very new here.
07-24-2021, 12:15 PM
#325
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,203
Something hopefully everyone understands during contract negotiations and voting on a new CBA.
07-24-2021, 12:16 PM
#326
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Posts: 12,203
07-24-2021, 12:41 PM
#327
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 307
W-2s aren’t everything. Anyone who believes that a tax advantaged dollar paid out in per diem or into a 401 K is somehow LESS valuable than a dollar on the W-2 is simply misinformed and perhaps ought to either take a basic tax management course or just pay Fidelity or Vanguard the half percent to let them manage their money. I will concede that the tax advantage difference is relatively unimportant your first few years (unless you are joint filing with a spouse who out earns you) but eventually it makes a huge difference - even as a senior FO.
Something hopefully everyone understands during contract negotiations and voting on a new CBA.
Something hopefully everyone understands during contract negotiations and voting on a new CBA.
You realize, I literally just said the direct contribution isn’t salary, it’s a benefit. Right? I’m still not seeing any relevance to my one sentence statement, and my statement is 100% correct. You just like to see yourself type.
07-24-2021, 01:02 PM
#328
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,954
He has over 6,300 posts. I think that says it all.
07-24-2021, 01:04 PM
#329
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Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 620
07-24-2021, 01:41 PM
#330
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,269
W-2s aren’t everything. Anyone who believes that a tax advantaged dollar paid out in per diem or into a 401 K is somehow LESS valuable than a dollar on the W-2 is simply misinformed and perhaps ought to either take a basic tax management course or just pay Fidelity or Vanguard the half percent to let them manage their money. I will concede that the tax advantage difference is relatively unimportant your first few years (unless you are joint filing with a spouse who out earns you) but eventually it makes a huge difference - even as a senior FO.
Something hopefully everyone understands during contract negotiations and voting on a new CBA.
Something hopefully everyone understands during contract negotiations and voting on a new CBA.
401k DC is great but it doesn’t pay my mortgage or my bills therefore it’s kinda hard to consider it compensation. If you ask any non pilot what they make they usually don’t include their 401k in their answer.
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