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Old 06-29-2021, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
COVID changed everything

Fair point didn’t even think of that.


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Old 06-29-2021, 12:24 PM
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Learning to swim would be a good skill to have. You wouldn’t be very helpful if you had to actually ditch and the passengers or other crew have to save you because you can’t swim.
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Old 06-29-2021, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight
First, you should learn to swim because it's just a good idea.
As far as pool day for training, you don't actually have to touch the water. You just go in an inflatable raft. You can/may have to wear a life jacket in case you would fall in, but it's not a swimming day, it's a demonstration of the life raft.
we went to the pool at pan am and brought bathing suits and inflated the raft before jumping in the water and swimming into it. Had to deploy life vests as well.

that was during the height of covid…..
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Old 06-29-2021, 05:50 PM
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So I'm just curious. I've heard there is a pool day in new hire class. So what happens if an applicant can't swim?
Had a friend who was a C-21 (basically an exec transport Learjet) pilot in the USAF. African-American guy who pumped a lot of iron - heavily muscled- doubt he had 5% body fat. Most negatively buoyant guy I’ve ever met. Went through water survival refresher with him in the base pool. He never had been able to learn how to swim. His technique in the pool was to just let himself sink to the bottom and RUN underwater up to the shallow end holding his breath.

The instructor was duly impressed but opined that might not work in the Atlantic, or even the Med.
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Old 06-29-2021, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Had a friend who was a C-21 (basically an exec transport Learjet) pilot in the USAF. African-American guy who pumped a lot of iron - heavily muscled- doubt he had 5% body fat. Most negatively buoyant guy I’ve ever met. Went through water survival refresher with him in the base pool. He never had been able to learn how to swim. His technique in the pool was to just let himself sink to the bottom and RUN underwater up to the shallow end holding his breath.

The instructor was duly impressed but opined that might not work in the Atlantic, or even the Med.
have you ever tried to run underwater? Don’t think that is possible. Maybe walk at best
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Old 06-29-2021, 07:05 PM
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have you ever tried to run underwater? Don’t think that is possible. Maybe walk at best
Impossible for me. I float. But he sank like a stone…

The average male specific gravity is 0.98, but there is normal variability and some people are more dense than others. African American males also tend to have a higher bone density.

He was fit as anyone on the base, but still had to do the “dunk test” to get a medical waiver to keep from being put on the weight management program which would have gotten him passed over for O-5.

https://www.operationalmedicine.org/...e/40050200.pdf

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...1935.tb02118.x

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/articl...23249#62884704
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Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight
Also I think if you drown it's an unsat and will go on your PRIA
Are you permitted to repeat it?
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Old 06-30-2021, 07:10 AM
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Are you permitted to repeat it?
only once AQP is in place - probably by August. Right now it’s pass-fail.
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Anyone care to share what's competitive to get an interview/CJO these days? (flight times, college degree, volunteer, etc)
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Anyone care to share what's competitive to get an interview/CJO these days? (flight times, college degree, volunteer, etc)
I hope you're volunteering in some capacity. I did it selfishly to make my resume better but have continued it because I enjoy it and am proud of the work.
If you meet the 3000TT and have someone to vouch for you I'm sure it's a matter of waiting to get a call. It's all been said before, but the interviewing process is a lot more about whether someone wants to sit next to you for 4 days than it is about your logbook. I have flown with all kinds here and 97% are great people and great pilots. Only 1% slipped thru the cracks and/or became dingleberries when they got here. And the other 2% are great in one of the two categories.
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