Interview
06-20-2021, 05:19 AM
#171
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Have to agree that the normal printout and three ring binder is fine as well. You have the job at this point, they just want to meet you in person and do a quick review.
As for the background checks, surprisingly they will have you come to training while these are still in the works. I’m assuming they do an initial check to make sure you are not a criminal and wait for all the FAA/PRIA/Work History/DMV.
As for the background checks, surprisingly they will have you come to training while these are still in the works. I’m assuming they do an initial check to make sure you are not a criminal and wait for all the FAA/PRIA/Work History/DMV.
06-20-2021, 05:39 AM
#172
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Searched but couldn’t find anything.
I was invited to FLL for a logbook review. Currently using logten pro. Has anyone else had a logbook review and had their logbook printed and bound? FedEx will do it for $50. Or should I transfer everything to my paper jepp book? Don’t want to mess this up!
I was invited to FLL for a logbook review. Currently using logten pro. Has anyone else had a logbook review and had their logbook printed and bound? FedEx will do it for $50. Or should I transfer everything to my paper jepp book? Don’t want to mess this up!
https://www.prosoftbinders.com/
06-20-2021, 06:48 AM
#173
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06-21-2021, 03:47 PM
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So kind of off topic question. For someone who is the first in the airline industry and doesn't know anyone outside of the regionals what is the best way to make connections for people outside of the regional world? One thing I've learned it seems to be about who you know with some companies. Plus with covid it seems job fairs for meet and greets is still slow to rebound.
06-21-2021, 06:58 PM
#176
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So kind of off topic question. For someone who is the first in the airline industry and doesn't know anyone outside of the regionals what is the best way to make connections for people outside of the regional world? One thing I've learned it seems to be about who you know with some companies. Plus with covid it seems job fairs for meet and greets is still slow to rebound.
06-21-2021, 07:50 PM
#177
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Generic interview logbook consideration...
When you take your logbooks, in any form, to an interview or logbook review, it may be important to be able to find milestones. When did you solo? Show me your logbook entry for your PPL, Instrument, Instructor, Commercial, ATP, your last 3 checkrides, etc etc.
That can be challenging even for military pilots because automated records don't show details like that.
No matter how you bring your logbooks, it might help to have certain milestones tabbed with those little removeable arrow sticker things, color coded for events. Green for certificates or upgrades. Blue for checkrides. Red for incidents you reported in your application. Yellow for lessons you learned. Or whatever makes sense to you, so you can tell your story in a way that makes it clear you've taken your flying career seriously and you're not a lying sack of poo showing up with fake logbooks you can't tell a single story about.
Company specific interview prep can help with figuring out what you should and shouldn't highlight, but it seems to be a common idea with various companies. Can you discuss a logbook that represents YOU and YOUR experience, or is it a big pile of lies?
For what it's worth, I transferred my entire flying history to logbook pro and printed and bound it myself, so it wasn't really fancy. I also brought my "source" documents (mil records and 2 old incomplete paper logbooks) but I tabbed my interesting flights in my freshly printed logbook and used that to answer a question or two. It wasn't exactly polished but I think they accepted it as authentic.
I also had single "errata" sheet I could reference to explain minor discrepancies. For example, I had some T-38 time that could count as "dual received" since I was already a rated pilot and was flying with an instructor, but the USAF called it "other" time which is not counted by most companies. Those alone caused a 6 hour discrepancy in my totals so I just noted it on the errata sheet in case they asked why my totals were off a bit. The errata sheet also had dates for checkrides, again for quick reference. I didn't need the explanation for totals discrepancies but I was asked to point out my ATP and flight examiner rides and invited to tell a story, which was easy because of the prep.
When you take your logbooks, in any form, to an interview or logbook review, it may be important to be able to find milestones. When did you solo? Show me your logbook entry for your PPL, Instrument, Instructor, Commercial, ATP, your last 3 checkrides, etc etc.
That can be challenging even for military pilots because automated records don't show details like that.
No matter how you bring your logbooks, it might help to have certain milestones tabbed with those little removeable arrow sticker things, color coded for events. Green for certificates or upgrades. Blue for checkrides. Red for incidents you reported in your application. Yellow for lessons you learned. Or whatever makes sense to you, so you can tell your story in a way that makes it clear you've taken your flying career seriously and you're not a lying sack of poo showing up with fake logbooks you can't tell a single story about.
Company specific interview prep can help with figuring out what you should and shouldn't highlight, but it seems to be a common idea with various companies. Can you discuss a logbook that represents YOU and YOUR experience, or is it a big pile of lies?
For what it's worth, I transferred my entire flying history to logbook pro and printed and bound it myself, so it wasn't really fancy. I also brought my "source" documents (mil records and 2 old incomplete paper logbooks) but I tabbed my interesting flights in my freshly printed logbook and used that to answer a question or two. It wasn't exactly polished but I think they accepted it as authentic.
I also had single "errata" sheet I could reference to explain minor discrepancies. For example, I had some T-38 time that could count as "dual received" since I was already a rated pilot and was flying with an instructor, but the USAF called it "other" time which is not counted by most companies. Those alone caused a 6 hour discrepancy in my totals so I just noted it on the errata sheet in case they asked why my totals were off a bit. The errata sheet also had dates for checkrides, again for quick reference. I didn't need the explanation for totals discrepancies but I was asked to point out my ATP and flight examiner rides and invited to tell a story, which was easy because of the prep.
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06-21-2021, 07:54 PM
#178
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So kind of off topic question. For someone who is the first in the airline industry and doesn't know anyone outside of the regionals what is the best way to make connections for people outside of the regional world? One thing I've learned it seems to be about who you know with some companies. Plus with covid it seems job fairs for meet and greets is still slow to rebound.
06-22-2021, 01:35 PM
#179
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I used linkedin and facebook. I searched linkedin profiles for the companies I was applying to, and scrolled through the results looking for people I knew. You may be surprised. At SWA I ran across a captain who was a high school water polo teammate, and at Spirit I ran into an FO who was my pre-solo ground school partner from back in high school! Talk about throwback reunions. There are other community sites other than linkedin and facebook so search them all.
Job fairs and meet and greets will come back. But unless everyone you know at the regional level is planning on staying at the regionals, your current connections can be future connections. People move carriers all the time, staying in touch with pilots and friends can pave the path for your future. Or, just find yourself new parents that happen to work at the airline you want to work at and have them adopt you.
I appreciate the advice. Maybe I'll get back on linkedin and see what I can find. Thank you both again for your input!
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