Justabusdriver1

May or may not be the quality of the trainees. But having a first time pass rate in the upper 90s doesn’t indicate that. The training is definitely easy. It’s not hard to pass if you show up everyday and give at least 10%. Seeing the people who have come out the pass rate should be lower. The bar is just set so low to pass people through. I do agree you can only do so much hand holding and imo that’s not what they should do. I wouldn’t expect them to point to every answer and tell you everything. But the points I made above about consistency and efficiency could definitely use some improving. Shouldn’t have to search through 6 manuals to find the one detail you need because each one has different details about the same topic. And you should have 2 different instructors telling you conflicting information.

The training department has a reputation of being disorganized, it’s not hard but it comes with its own challenges because of that.

SoFloFlyer

Idk why you would think it’s okay to have so few sims in training? We talk about being compensated like the legacies don’t want to be trained like the legacies?

I was riding the JS on a UAL flight and the FO had come from Spirit. He explained how the training was and the CA was in shock that we had so little sims to get typed. You can sit there and say that “we are an airline. We can only do so much hand-holding,” but it’s not about hand-holding as much as it is about having adequate training. If the only amount of sims you get is to pass a type ride then that’s a problem.

Again, the program was designed for 5000 hour pilots. CFIs are now sitting in indoc. Something has to give because this model of training is not sufficient with the CFIs in class. More sims should be incorporated.

Just my .02

P.S. To clarify, this isn’t about difficulty of training as it is about thoroughness of training. The program wasn’t hard. The ones that struggled didn’t have a 121 background, but they figured it out.

sioux8ships

This is why training failures and washouts have risen in the past 8-9 months.

Irishblackbird

And Bendo said he could hire his way out of attrition... sounds like a great game plan, hire people who won't make it through training. Very economical too.

JulesWinfield

I can only imagine the amount of electricity and resources being devoted to this failed endeavor. Comical.

Excargodog

Until first year newbies get insurance and a decent wage from Indoc on, the failures don’t really cost management all that much though. Just saying…

Justabusdriver1

Not sure what the actual standard around the industry really is but 90days of employment is pretty standard at other companies and industries before any benefits kick in. The whole concept spirit is going for new hires will never see benefits or good pay because they know a lot will leave either before training ends or in the first year and they just don’t want to invest in anyone new.

JulesWinfield

This isn’t common anywhere since the mid 2000s.

Excargodog

They don’t want to invest in anyone new OR old, but it doesn’t matter. It’s a competitive marketplace (finally) and both recruiting and retention ultimately require that you at least come reasonably close to matching the competition.

SoFloFlyer

The standard is that everyone starts with min guarantee from day 1 and benefits shortly there after