EIL/Unpaid Leave Extension????
10-22-2020, 05:43 AM
#51
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(Personal opinion)
the EIL’s saved me from being furloughed. I’d rather be furloughed for a year or two than come back to a weaker contract that hurts me and my senior peers. I think most of us new guys feel this way. I consider myself incredibly lucky just to be on this seniority list
the EIL’s saved me from being furloughed. I’d rather be furloughed for a year or two than come back to a weaker contract that hurts me and my senior peers. I think most of us new guys feel this way. I consider myself incredibly lucky just to be on this seniority list
I don't understand the legacy pilot groups not aggressively targeting scope when their management came calling for concessions.
For those groups, some sort of concession might have been or might be inevitable. However, whatever language the company wanted better have come with a 50/70/90 seat pay rates, even regional +5% ones.
However, the mainline MECs just won't fight scope.
10-22-2020, 06:00 AM
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10-22-2020, 06:12 AM
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That said, regardless if they meant it to do so or not, honoring the CJOs into May (?) sends a strong signal that Spirit views this crisis as an opportunity, as it should.
I don't understand the legacy pilot groups not aggressively targeting scope when their management came calling for concessions.
For those groups, some sort of concession might have been or might be inevitable. However, whatever language the company wanted better have come with a 50/70/90 seat pay rates, even regional +5% ones.
However, the mainline MECs just won't fight scope.
I don't understand the legacy pilot groups not aggressively targeting scope when their management came calling for concessions.
For those groups, some sort of concession might have been or might be inevitable. However, whatever language the company wanted better have come with a 50/70/90 seat pay rates, even regional +5% ones.
However, the mainline MECs just won't fight scope.
Also we have a large contingent of our airline who only cares about $$$ and many more who think that if we made a deal like that, management would take the cuts, go to BK and gut our newly tightened scope clause.
10-22-2020, 08:40 AM
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I was hoping for this at DL. Give the company some relief on min hours and maybe displacement training language in exchange for tighter scope. However our management has claimed FM and is violating our existing scope clause as we speak, making me believe management would not entertain scope tightening.
Also we have a large contingent of our airline who only cares about $$$ and many more who think that if we made a deal like that, management would take the cuts, go to BK and gut our newly tightened scope clause.
Also we have a large contingent of our airline who only cares about $$$ and many more who think that if we made a deal like that, management would take the cuts, go to BK and gut our newly tightened scope clause.
For the DL guys, its got to be frustrating for management to show up with their hands out, violating contracts while millions of dollars that went to JVs is being flushed.
10-22-2020, 08:45 AM
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It cost thousands of pilots millions of dollars.
Thus, why its hard to feel too much sympathy for the legacy pilot groups writ large, as unfair as it is to the junior guys who will be the obvious billpayers. The Delta, Northwest, American and United guys that allowed scope to kill the career expectations of two or three generations of pilots are all drooling in their oatmeal right now.
That doesn't fix the problem that potentially thousands of legacy pilot will be either working under C scale or out of a job entirely, as a bunch of regional guys fly DL, AMR or UA pax around.
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