No Furloughs
08-31-2020, 06:48 AM
#61
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Not sure how we “have been had” when we didn’t give anything up and in fact gained the ability to drop reserve days and have guys getting paid $$$ to not work...but yes, that would be unfortunate for us if there is a furlough come November 01.
08-31-2020, 07:21 AM
#62
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The agreement was fair and I’m extremely happy we could make it happen but saying we gave up nothing devalues the work done and every line of the contract spirit made us fight for.
Again, glad to see the team effort put forth by the company here. First time in my career I’ve seen this level of cooperation.
08-31-2020, 09:40 AM
#64
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He was right in that we did not concede anything, rather traded the timeline for a finite time period.
You were correct in that there is a precedent dollar amount associated with the delayed timeline.
I think you’ll find common ground in saying that while there are no permanent concessions, every pilot here was willing to forego compensation for timeline relief to help mitigate furloughs.
08-31-2020, 09:50 AM
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I may be off base on this, but here is my understanding of the payment for delay for the May bid period. When the poo hit the fan in April, they dropped the entire month of April. They know that the pairings built for May had to be reworked and schedule dropped to a more realistic level. It saved Spirit about 6 million to rebuild the May schedules. They were also able to agree on the VIL proposal for May as a result of that delay in bidding. The pilot group was given about half of the money saved, or 1200 per pilot. I’d look at that instance as a gift, not an expectation. Spirit is showing more effort to help us out with furlough mitigation, we should help them by remaining as nimble for change as possible.
08-31-2020, 04:00 PM
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I may be off base on this, but here is my understanding of the payment for delay for the May bid period. When the poo hit the fan in April, they dropped the entire month of April. They know that the pairings built for May had to be reworked and schedule dropped to a more realistic level. It saved Spirit about 6 million to rebuild the May schedules. They were also able to agree on the VIL proposal for May as a result of that delay in bidding. The pilot group was given about half of the money saved, or 1200 per pilot. I’d look at that instance as a gift, not an expectation. Spirit is showing more effort to help us out with furlough mitigation, we should help them by remaining as nimble for change as possible.
08-31-2020, 04:04 PM
#67
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It may be semantics, but the term “gave up” was used by both of you.
He was right in that we did not concede anything, rather traded the timeline for a finite time period.
You were correct in that there is a precedent dollar amount associated with the delayed timeline.
I think you’ll find common ground in saying that while there are no permanent concessions, every pilot here was willing to forego compensation for timeline relief to help mitigate furloughs.
He was right in that we did not concede anything, rather traded the timeline for a finite time period.
You were correct in that there is a precedent dollar amount associated with the delayed timeline.
I think you’ll find common ground in saying that while there are no permanent concessions, every pilot here was willing to forego compensation for timeline relief to help mitigate furloughs.
09-02-2020, 10:51 AM
#68
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Well, I've had a similar thought...
One of three things will happen to NK...we continue as an going concern, we are merged or we fail.
If we continue as a going concern, well, all to the good.
If we are merged, then all of us being on the property strengthens our merger seniority list integration, vis a vis a carrier with furloughed pilots.
If we fail, its all academic.
One of three things will happen to NK...we continue as an going concern, we are merged or we fail.
If we continue as a going concern, well, all to the good.
If we are merged, then all of us being on the property strengthens our merger seniority list integration, vis a vis a carrier with furloughed pilots.
If we fail, its all academic.
09-02-2020, 11:19 AM
#69
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we gave up our bidding timeline which took negotiating capital during section 6 for the PBS LOA. It’s temporary but it’s worth about $1200/mo to each of us based on the precedent set this past April.
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Again, glad to see the team effort put forth by the company here. First time in my career I’ve seen this level of cooperation.
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Again, glad to see the team effort put forth by the company here. First time in my career I’ve seen this level of cooperation.
As for pushing back the bidding timeline, I have no problem with this. In fact, I'm one off the few that dislikes bidding so early in the month. Often I have no idea of next months plans so early and end up bidding blind and then having to plan next month around work.
09-02-2020, 01:04 PM
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I also saw the one time payment of $1,200 as more of an appeasement, or a "thanks for your help" than a concession.
As for pushing back the bidding timeline, I have no problem with this. In fact, I'm one off the few that dislikes bidding so early in the month. Often I have no idea of next months plans so early and end up bidding blind and then having to plan next month around work.
As for pushing back the bidding timeline, I have no problem with this. In fact, I'm one off the few that dislikes bidding so early in the month. Often I have no idea of next months plans so early and end up bidding blind and then having to plan next month around work.
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