Qotsaautopilot

It’s obvious folks don’t know the difference between average line value (AVL) and minimum monthly guarantee (72). They also don’t seem to know that we don’t have any AVL language in our contract other than a max and to be based on historical values to keep us all from flying 99hrs of block every month. If anything the company would prefer to raise the AVL to reduce staffing.

FlyGuy2002

doubtful they will reach the required EIL. Plenty of takers but doubtful 100%. Furloughs will still happen. It’s a plan to mitigate, not eliminate, furloughs. This will allow more people in the lifeboat.

FLYBOYMATTHEW

I stand corrected. Not willing to accept less than 72 min guarantee.

Av viii

Remember when they asked people to take VIL and after they got a bunch to accept 50hrs they gave everyone else the month off too, but at full pay?
It’s a little like that. Good faith my arse.

Mtnbikemike

I got fooled by that. Helped out a few months to see everyone’s line get dropped, Pay protected, then picked up from open time to build up to 120+ while others sat at 50 “helping “ out. I hope y’all aren’t the same 120+ Hr group who was gloating about your payday only to be asking senior guys to take EIL now.
The union deal is a win win for those that want it. Glad concessions were off the table so we can keep our place as the 2nd lowest paid A320 operator.

chesty

Although I am one hoping to get enough people to possibly save my job, when they dropped everyone a trip and allowed people to pick up trips again I refrained from doing so as I thought it was a ****ty thing to do... it should have been opened up for everyone... I picked up nothing and won’t pick up anything in open time until all furloughed pilots are back (if I survive this one myself) best wishes to all and thanks to all pilots who take the leave and help us lower seniority guys possibly keep a roof over our head.

Halon1211

I want to take the 8 months off. But yeah making that call in 4 days is going to be hard. My plan is to fly corporate or cargo for the 8 month EIL, so I can double dip on income. The email made it sound like we are able to do other commercial flying.

im not wanting to not work at all, but at least do something else, especially if I can help someone else out.

Irishblackbird

That was a bad situation, but I don't think it was done intentionally. The airlines were getting little guidance at that time from the government, airlines were flying empty planes while cities and states were going into lock down and everything but grocery stores and the airlines were forced to shutdown. They were caught off guard and reacted by canceling flights to try and stop the bleeding. It was terrible that they acted so ham-handed and allowed people to pick up open time. As Jr pilot I was SCR in a crash pad with no flying, and this was the case for most Jr pilots. Those that were able to exploit the open time situation were primarily senior. So your efforts to help did not go unnoticed by Jr guys such as myself. I would not blame you for not taking EIL, or anyone for that matter to exercise their right of seniority. But I hope that senior pilots such as yourself will continue to help out, as I think that once we are on the back side of this bs pandemic, if we are able to maintain our staff, we may be able to position our airline to recover quickly and excel. Hopefully this will put us in an even better position for negotiating our next contract to bring us up to being one of the highest paid Airbus pilots.

nuball5

That didn’t just happen at Spirit. Welcome to the world of trying to operate an airline in the year 2020. Also not everyone needs 120+ hours of credit or cares if others get it. They want the reassurance of not having to commute with limited options or capped flights or they’re taking care of someone elderly or high risk at home. Those people will gladly take their 50 hours and sit on the bench.

Mtnbikemike

You missed or don’t understand my point. But anyway, I did do the VIL and may take a EIL in case y’all are wondering.