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#151
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Joined APC: Jul 2018
Posts: 118
Not to sound crass, but that is one of the dumbest ideas I’ve heard. So I’m supposed to adjust my budget as a captain, 15-20% ($50,000-$60,000) so I can keep you as a junior guy employed?
In the mean time, sure would be nice to keep my house this winter though
#152
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
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Unfortunately, no amount of cuts would change that fate. Plenty of spirit pilots have seen this show before either here or at another company. History should be the guide.
#153
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Joined APC: Nov 2008
Position: Citation, left seat
Posts: 345
Concessions have never saved any jobs nor prevented a company from filing chapter 11. If they need it that badly they’ll go through bankruptcy to get it. Being furloughed sucks, I get it, I’ve been there. That being said, pay cuts will not prevent or lessen furloughs.
#154
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Joined APC: Nov 2015
Posts: 211
This place is in survival mode. I don’t think any of our jobs are completely safe. We don’t know what the future holds, a merger, bankruptcy, downgrades management tactics. I’ll say it again, this place does not care and will be looking to extract anything it can from this group. Ignore their scare tactics.
#156
I don’t see them offering long term VILs doesn’t benefit them in anyway. We will get furloughed the question will be 6 months or greater. I believe they have to tell you whether it will be less or greater than 6 months.
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#157
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
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also a senior CA VIL saves more than first year pay and benefits. VILs they can dictate what bases and seats they ask for. Furlough and the displacements happen and they have to pay for moves and right seat qual for downgrades.
now obviously as first year pilots roll in to second year pay those numbers start to change a bit where a senior pilot pay isn’t changing much. So if longer term the furlough does save more than the VIL. Moves get pricey fast though.
#158
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: Bus Driver
Posts: 125
This is a very unique beast and simply quoting from past labor mantras isn't truly looking at the current landscape.
#159
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To compare what is happening today to the past is short sighted or even ignorant. This is a health crisis that has created an economic crisis. The quicker the health crisis is solved the sooner we will see a rebound. Previous furloughs in this industry were largely a result of bad management, or deep economic woes. Even today, as we speak, the airlines are in a strong position financially.
This is a very unique beast and simply quoting from past labor mantras isn't truly looking at the current landscape.
This is a very unique beast and simply quoting from past labor mantras isn't truly looking at the current landscape.
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