Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot

I don’t think many of the post 2018 hires really understand who we work for. Spirit will not let this go to waste. Whether they want or need the furloughs I bet they send out a crazy number of the warn letters to scare us to death. My guess is they send 1,000+ letters. This is all a ploy. JB knows what he’s doing here. We are already the lowest paid airbus pilots in this country and he’s going to come for more. We have to say no chance in hell.

One mans opinion.

Originally Posted by Macjet

I apologize for the lack of clarity. All of us need to consider adjusting our budgets 15-20% in order to keep our junior pilots from having to adjust 100%. I am fully onboard with an LOA or an MOU that cuts my guarantee, and my obligated days, on a defined term in order to keep our junior pilots employed. These are our fellow aviators and we owe it to them to do whatever we can to protect them and their families. Hopefully our MEC proposes a solution that can keep all of us receiving a paycheck.

Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot

I don’t think many of the post 2018 hires really understand who we work for. Spirit will not let this go to waste. Whether they want or need the furloughs I bet they send out a crazy number of the warn letters to scare us to death. My guess is they send 1,000+ letters. This is all a ploy. JB knows what he’s doing here. We are already the lowest paid airbus pilots in this country and he’s going to come for more. We have to say no chance in hell.

As someone furloughed before, like many others here, I can tell you it sucks. It’s no picnic especially in a down economy when other employment is hard to come by. I was also part of a company that took paycuts to supposedly mitigate furloughs. They didn’t. The furloughs happened anyway and I never saw that money again. We even had SnapBack provisions that were violated for years. Years after recall still made less money.

Voluntary measures like VILs are the only thing that will mitigate furloughs. Pay and work rule concessions will never help but ensure you work more days for less money for years, and then fight in the next CBA just to break even. It’s a fools errand.

My guess is they send over a thousand warns and perhaps they need a few hundred. Covid is a moving target and they don’t even know what a month from now looks like. My guess is they take a few hundred off the bottom on October 1st and that will last at least a year. Probably recall Jan 2022 to be ready for spring break and summer. Once they have a better idea of how Covid looks good his fall maybe more furloughs in January 2021 with same recalls starting Jan 2022.


One mans opinion.

Originally Posted by Macjet

I apologize for the lack of clarity. All of us need to consider adjusting our budgets 15-20% in order to keep our junior pilots from having to adjust 100%. I am fully onboard with an LOA or an MOU that cuts my guarantee, and my obligated days, on a defined term in order to keep our junior pilots employed. These are our fellow aviators and we owe it to them to do whatever we can to protect them and their families. Hopefully our MEC proposes a solution that can keep all of us receiving a paycheck.

Originally Posted by sioux8ships

Genius idea! Ask Frontier how their LOA for cuts worked out years ago. I’m sure bendo will be happy to give back cuts when the airline recovers! You must’ve forgot who we work for! Where’s my quid? Getting sued during negotiations was super fun too!

Plus it undercuts the 50 hour VIL effort. Why would the company want to pay guys 50 hours to stay home when they can cut everyone’s guarantee by 15 % and pay them 61 hours and have their a&$ still work?

Originally Posted by Macjet

I apologize for the lack of clarity. All of us need to consider adjusting our budgets 15-20% in order to keep our junior pilots from having to adjust 100%. I am fully onboard with an LOA or an MOU that cuts my guarantee, and my obligated days, on a defined term in order to keep our junior pilots employed. These are our fellow aviators and we owe it to them to do whatever we can to protect them and their families. Hopefully our MEC proposes a solution that can keep all of us receiving a paycheck.

Originally Posted by Mtnbikemike

Not to sound crass, but that is one of the dumbest ideas I’ve heard. So I’m supposed to adjust my budget as a captain, 15-20% ($50,000-$60,000) so I can keep you as a junior guy employed? So basically after going two feet forward and one back in my 29 years as a commercial pilot, strikes, furloughs, bankruptcies, 9/11, the Great Recession and now Covid, I’m supposed to just throw out the seniority I’ve gained so you don’t face a possible short furlough? So we can go from the second lowest paid Airbus operator and set the bar even lower?
I hate to tell you this, but the company doesn’t care, never has, only cares about their bottom line and responsibility to it’s shareholders. If you are offering concessions, which you are, it is something that is very difficult to get back from this management. What stops them from filing Chapter 11 later and we had given concessions already? You do not know what the future holds, the company may face more headwinds. Most pilot groups have realized from past experiences that concessions do not help.
Why isn’t Flying the Line a mandatory requirement to read?

Originally Posted by Mtnbikemike

Not to sound crass, but that is one of the dumbest ideas I’ve heard. So I’m supposed to adjust my budget as a captain, 15-20% ($50,000-$60,000) so I can keep you as a junior guy employed? So basically after going two feet forward and one back in my 29 years as a commercial pilot, strikes, furloughs, bankruptcies, 9/11, the Great Recession and now Covid, I’m supposed to just throw out the seniority I’ve gained so you don’t face a possible short furlough? So we can go from the second lowest paid Airbus operator and set the bar even lower?
I hate to tell you this, but the company doesn’t care, never has, only cares about their bottom line and responsibility to it’s shareholders. If you are offering concessions, which you are, it is something that is very difficult to get back from this management. What stops them from filing Chapter 11 later and we had given concessions already? You do not know what the future holds, the company may face more headwinds. Most pilot groups have realized from past experiences that concessions do not help.
Why isn’t Flying the Line a mandatory requirement to read?

Originally Posted by Tranquility

Amen! Full pay to the last day!