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07-25-2020, 01:49 PM
#121
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I don’t think many of the post 2018 hires really understand who we work for. Spirit will not let this go to waste. Whether they want or need the furloughs I bet they send out a crazy number of the warn letters to scare us to death. My guess is they send 1,000+ letters. This is all a ploy. JB knows what he’s doing here. We are already the lowest paid airbus pilots in this country and he’s going to come for more. We have to say no chance in hell.
As someone furloughed before, like many others here, I can tell you it sucks. It’s no picnic especially in a down economy when other employment is hard to come by. I was also part of a company that took paycuts to supposedly mitigate furloughs. They didn’t. The furloughs happened anyway and I never saw that money again. We even had SnapBack provisions that were violated for years. Years after recall still made less money.
Voluntary measures like VILs are the only thing that will mitigate furloughs. Pay and work rule concessions will never help but ensure you work more days for less money for years, and then fight in the next CBA just to break even. It’s a fools errand.
My guess is they send over a thousand warns and perhaps they need a few hundred. Covid is a moving target and they don’t even know what a month from now looks like. My guess is they take a few hundred off the bottom on October 1st and that will last at least a year. Probably recall Jan 2022 to be ready for spring break and summer. Once they have a better idea of how Covid looks good his fall maybe more furloughs in January 2021 with same recalls starting Jan 2022.
One mans opinion.
As someone furloughed before, like many others here, I can tell you it sucks. It’s no picnic especially in a down economy when other employment is hard to come by. I was also part of a company that took paycuts to supposedly mitigate furloughs. They didn’t. The furloughs happened anyway and I never saw that money again. We even had SnapBack provisions that were violated for years. Years after recall still made less money.
Voluntary measures like VILs are the only thing that will mitigate furloughs. Pay and work rule concessions will never help but ensure you work more days for less money for years, and then fight in the next CBA just to break even. It’s a fools errand.
My guess is they send over a thousand warns and perhaps they need a few hundred. Covid is a moving target and they don’t even know what a month from now looks like. My guess is they take a few hundred off the bottom on October 1st and that will last at least a year. Probably recall Jan 2022 to be ready for spring break and summer. Once they have a better idea of how Covid looks good his fall maybe more furloughs in January 2021 with same recalls starting Jan 2022.
One mans opinion.
NO CONTRACT CONCESSIONS NOW OR EVER. I think our current MEC saw the hate they spewed after we waived the contract in 2015. Never again. Let's see what we can do amongst ourselves to save a protect our own.
07-25-2020, 01:57 PM
#122
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Damn straight Qotsa! Zero concessions, we've been under-compensated vs our peers for years, I will never vote to give any of it back. I also think the company will send out vastly more WARN letters than they intend to act on. Don't fall for the threats and fear mongering that we'll no doubt see in the coming days.
07-25-2020, 01:59 PM
#123
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I agree with the others. Their number one priority in EVERYTHING is making costs as low as possible. Dont be fooled.
That being said, our relative cost advantage will go up with furloughs at the lagacy carriers, so I propose we seek pay raises.
That being said, our relative cost advantage will go up with furloughs at the lagacy carriers, so I propose we seek pay raises.
07-25-2020, 05:34 PM
#126
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spirit will never have a shortage of highly qualified applicants. They didn’t before covid, and they certainly won’t now. A lot of regional guys just got a scary wake up call that cleared their heads of their “oh I’ll just flow or get some PIC time and get out of here soon” idea
07-25-2020, 05:45 PM
#127
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Also worth noting, remember that the junior guys are also ‘our own’, too.
Voluntary and VIL options will be offered. Hopefully those of us that can participate will choose to! We can make a major dent in the number that will be involuntarily displaced/downgraded/furloughed. Taking a few months off paid 50 hours could prevent someone from losing their house or becoming a commuter
07-25-2020, 08:42 PM
#129
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you’re speaking about saying no to concessions, and I agree wholeheartedly.
Also worth noting, remember that the junior guys are also ‘our own’, too.
Voluntary and VIL options will be offered. Hopefully those of us that can participate will choose to! We can make a major dent in the number that will be involuntarily displaced/downgraded/furloughed. Taking a few months off paid 50 hours could prevent someone from losing their house or becoming a commuter
Also worth noting, remember that the junior guys are also ‘our own’, too.
Voluntary and VIL options will be offered. Hopefully those of us that can participate will choose to! We can make a major dent in the number that will be involuntarily displaced/downgraded/furloughed. Taking a few months off paid 50 hours could prevent someone from losing their house or becoming a commuter
07-25-2020, 08:55 PM
#130
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I apologize for the lack of clarity. All of us need to consider adjusting our budgets 15-20% in order to keep our junior pilots from having to adjust 100%. I am fully onboard with an LOA or an MOU that cuts my guarantee, and my obligated days, on a defined term in order to keep our junior pilots employed. These are our fellow aviators and we owe it to them to do whatever we can to protect them and their families. Hopefully our MEC proposes a solution that can keep all of us receiving a paycheck.
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