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07-25-2020, 09:44 AM
#113
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of JetBlue/frontier) I’d imagine applications (when we hire) will be thru the roof
07-25-2020, 11:09 AM
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pretty sure recruiting won’t be an issue after this. I would assume more than likely that we maybe the first to hire sometime in the future. Legacies won’t be hiring for an extended period. All the regional guys who were holding off for a call from the big boys will be rushing to apply here (and the likes
of JetBlue/frontier) I’d imagine applications (when we hire) will be thru the roof
of JetBlue/frontier) I’d imagine applications (when we hire) will be thru the roof
07-25-2020, 11:22 AM
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From an MEC guy here...
“The company asked us to strip some of our workrules and take pay cuts. The MEC said concessions like that were off the table. Company thenasked about Voluntary things like VILs, we said yes. On the list of standard industry voluntary items, company had no interest in early out retirements. So basically that lift VILs. NC slid a proposal to the company on Wednesday regarding long term VILs, now we are waiting to hear back from Spirit. They like Vils because it gives them flexibility in recovery. But obviously not paying a pilot saves more money than paying him 50 hours. So Spirit is still trying to figure out what the right final number is based on current market conditions. The ball park they gave us for Warn letters going out was ugly.”
“The company asked us to strip some of our workrules and take pay cuts. The MEC said concessions like that were off the table. Company thenasked about Voluntary things like VILs, we said yes. On the list of standard industry voluntary items, company had no interest in early out retirements. So basically that lift VILs. NC slid a proposal to the company on Wednesday regarding long term VILs, now we are waiting to hear back from Spirit. They like Vils because it gives them flexibility in recovery. But obviously not paying a pilot saves more money than paying him 50 hours. So Spirit is still trying to figure out what the right final number is based on current market conditions. The ball park they gave us for Warn letters going out was ugly.”
07-25-2020, 11:26 AM
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From an MEC guy here...
“The company asked us to strip some of our workrules and take pay cuts. The MEC said concessions like that were off the table. Company thenasked about Voluntary things like VILs, we said yes. On the list of standard industry voluntary items, company had no interest in early out retirements. So basically that lift VILs. NC slid a proposal to the company on Wednesday regarding long term VILs, now we are waiting to hear back from Spirit. They like Vils because it gives them flexibility in recovery. But obviously not paying a pilot saves more money than paying him 50 hours. So Spirit is still trying to figure out what the right final number is based on current market conditions. The ball park they gave us for Warn letters going out was ugly.”
“The company asked us to strip some of our workrules and take pay cuts. The MEC said concessions like that were off the table. Company thenasked about Voluntary things like VILs, we said yes. On the list of standard industry voluntary items, company had no interest in early out retirements. So basically that lift VILs. NC slid a proposal to the company on Wednesday regarding long term VILs, now we are waiting to hear back from Spirit. They like Vils because it gives them flexibility in recovery. But obviously not paying a pilot saves more money than paying him 50 hours. So Spirit is still trying to figure out what the right final number is based on current market conditions. The ball park they gave us for Warn letters going out was ugly.”
07-25-2020, 11:27 AM
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From an MEC guy here...
“The company asked us to strip some of our workrules and take pay cuts. The MEC said concessions like that were off the table. Company thenasked about Voluntary things like VILs, we said yes. On the list of standard industry voluntary items, company had no interest in early out retirements. So basically that lift VILs. NC slid a proposal to the company on Wednesday regarding long term VILs, now we are waiting to hear back from Spirit. They like Vils because it gives them flexibility in recovery. But obviously not paying a pilot saves more money than paying him 50 hours. So Spirit is still trying to figure out what the right final number is based on current market conditions. The ball park they gave us for Warn letters going out was ugly.”
“The company asked us to strip some of our workrules and take pay cuts. The MEC said concessions like that were off the table. Company thenasked about Voluntary things like VILs, we said yes. On the list of standard industry voluntary items, company had no interest in early out retirements. So basically that lift VILs. NC slid a proposal to the company on Wednesday regarding long term VILs, now we are waiting to hear back from Spirit. They like Vils because it gives them flexibility in recovery. But obviously not paying a pilot saves more money than paying him 50 hours. So Spirit is still trying to figure out what the right final number is based on current market conditions. The ball park they gave us for Warn letters going out was ugly.”
07-25-2020, 11:40 AM
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As someone furloughed before, like many others here, I can tell you it sucks. It’s no picnic especially in a down economy when other employment is hard to come by. I was also part of a company that took paycuts to supposedly mitigate furloughs. They didn’t. The furloughs happened anyway and I never saw that money again. We even had SnapBack provisions that were violated for years. Years after recall still made less money.
Voluntary measures like VILs are the only thing that will mitigate furloughs. Pay and work rule concessions will never help but ensure you work more days for less money for years, and then fight in the next CBA just to break even. It’s a fools errand.
My guess is they send over a thousand warns and perhaps they need a few hundred. Covid is a moving target and they don’t even know what a month from now looks like. My guess is they take a few hundred off the bottom on October 1st and that will last at least a year. Probably recall Jan 2022 to be ready for spring break and summer. Once they have a better idea of how Covid looks good his fall maybe more furloughs in January 2021 with same recalls starting Jan 2022.
One mans opinion.
07-25-2020, 11:47 AM
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I don’t think many of the post 2018 hires really understand who we work for. Spirit will not let this go to waste. Whether they want or need the furloughs I bet they send out a crazy number of the warn letters to scare us to death. My guess is they send 1,000+ letters. This is all a ploy. JB knows what he’s doing here. We are already the lowest paid airbus pilots in this country and he’s going to come for more. We have to say no chance in hell.
As someone furloughed before, like many others here, I can tell you it sucks. It’s no picnic especially in a down economy when other employment is hard to come by. I was also part of a company that took paycuts to supposedly mitigate furloughs. They didn’t. The furloughs happened anyway and I never saw that money again. We even had SnapBack provisions that were violated for years. Years after recall still made less money.
Voluntary measures like VILs are the only thing that will mitigate furloughs. Pay and work rule concessions will never help but ensure you work more days for less money for years, and then fight in the next CBA just to break even. It’s a fools errand.
My guess is they send over a thousand warns and perhaps they need a few hundred. Covid is a moving target and they don’t even know what a month from now looks like. My guess is they take a few hundred off the bottom on October 1st and that will last at least a year. Probably recall Jan 2022 to be ready for spring break and summer. Once they have a better idea of how Covid looks good his fall maybe more furloughs in January 2021 with same recalls starting Jan 2022.
One mans opinion.
As someone furloughed before, like many others here, I can tell you it sucks. It’s no picnic especially in a down economy when other employment is hard to come by. I was also part of a company that took paycuts to supposedly mitigate furloughs. They didn’t. The furloughs happened anyway and I never saw that money again. We even had SnapBack provisions that were violated for years. Years after recall still made less money.
Voluntary measures like VILs are the only thing that will mitigate furloughs. Pay and work rule concessions will never help but ensure you work more days for less money for years, and then fight in the next CBA just to break even. It’s a fools errand.
My guess is they send over a thousand warns and perhaps they need a few hundred. Covid is a moving target and they don’t even know what a month from now looks like. My guess is they take a few hundred off the bottom on October 1st and that will last at least a year. Probably recall Jan 2022 to be ready for spring break and summer. Once they have a better idea of how Covid looks good his fall maybe more furloughs in January 2021 with same recalls starting Jan 2022.
One mans opinion.
07-25-2020, 11:57 AM
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